The potential between a cone and a plate

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential and electric field in the region between a conducting cone and an electrically grounded plate. The cone is insulated from the plate and maintained at a constant potential V, with the problem indicating that V is independent of r and φ. The context involves applying the Laplacian and boundary conditions relevant to the geometry of the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rearranging the Laplacian and integrating with respect to theta, while questioning how to incorporate the grounded plate into their calculations. There are attempts to clarify boundary conditions and how they relate to the potential difference between the cone and the plate.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using boundary conditions to find expressions for the potential, while others express uncertainty about the implications of their findings. Multiple interpretations of the boundary conditions and their application are being explored, indicating an ongoing discussion without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of neglecting end effects of the cone, and the participants are working under the assumption that V is independent of certain variables. The grounding of the plate and the insulation of the cone are also key constraints in the problem setup.

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There is a conducting cone with angle α placed so that its vertex is normal to an electrically grounded plate, but electrically insulated from the plate and kept at a constant potential V. Find the potential V and the electric field in the region between the cone and the plate. End effects of the cone are neglected. V is independent of r and φ.

Homework Equations


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If V is independent of r and Φ we know that the Laplacian reduces to:

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we have the boundary condition:

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The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, rearranging the Laplacian to solve for dV:

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and integrating with respect to theta gives:

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Using the boundary condition for the cone:

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I don't really know how I can include the plane into my calculations. Any help would be very much appreciated.
 

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What you have calculated is the potential difference between two coaxial cone ,where the inner one has a potential of ##V## at ##{\theta}_1## and the outer one has a potential of 0 at ##{\theta}_2##.
So check your calculation again,and find the right equation which fulfill the boundary conditions.Now let ##{\theta}_2 ## tend to ##\frac{\pi}{2}##.Then you will find the desired expression
 
zengodspeed1 said:

Homework Statement


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There is a conducting cone with angle α placed so that its vertex is normal to an electrically grounded plate, but electrically insulated from the plate and kept at a constant potential V. Find the potential V and the electric field in the region between the cone and the plate. End effects of the cone are neglected. V is independent of r and φ.

Homework Equations


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If V is independent of r and Φ we know that the Laplacian reduces to:

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we have the boundary condition:

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The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, rearranging the Laplacian to solve for dV:

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and integrating with respect to theta gives:

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Using the boundary condition for the cone:

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I don't really know how I can include the plane into my calculations. Any help would be very much appreciated.
You can do this by using the boundary condition on ##V##,i.e,
$$V(\frac{\pi}{2}) =0$$
 
Raihan amin said:
You can do this by using the boundary condition on ##V##,i.e,
$$V(\frac{\pi}{2}) =0$$
So by doing so I find that:

$$A = \frac{V_{0}}{ln(tan(\frac{\alpha}{2}))}$$

as B reduces to zero.

However I don't really understand what I am now doing with this information.
 
zengodspeed1 said:
So by doing so I find that:

$$A = \frac{V_{0}}{ln(tan(\frac{\alpha}{2}))}$$

as B reduces to zero.

However I don't really understand what I am now doing with this information.
Now put these value in the Original equation,and you are done.
 
Raihan amin said:
Now put these value in the Original equation,and you are done.
$$V(\theta) = V_{0} \frac{ln(tan(\frac{\theta}{2}))}{ln(tan(\frac{\alpha}{2}))}$$??
 
Now using this formula,you can find E too.
 

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