The required mass to produce double the maximum velocity.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a mass-spring system. Participants are tasked with calculating various parameters such as frequency, maximum velocity, maximum acceleration, and the mass required to produce double the maximum velocity. The scope includes theoretical calculations and conceptual clarifications related to oscillatory motion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the frequency of vibration as approximately 4.11 Hz using the formula for frequency.
  • The same participant computes the maximum velocity to be approximately 0.2582 m/s and the maximum acceleration to be around 6.667 m/s².
  • Another participant attempts to determine the mass required to achieve double the maximum velocity but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach.
  • This second participant proposes two different calculations for the required mass, leading to different angular frequencies and velocities, but questions the correctness of both methods.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, particularly the phrase "starting angle," with one participant questioning the assumption of angular displacement and suggesting that the displacement is vertical instead.
  • Another participant defends the terminology based on their textbook, indicating that "phase" is a standard term used in their studies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the displacement of the mass and the terminology used. There is no consensus on the correct method to calculate the mass required to produce double the maximum velocity, as multiple approaches yield different results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the problem statement, such as the lack of clarity regarding angular versus vertical displacement and the implications of using different definitions or terms in their calculations.

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Students studying oscillatory motion in physics, particularly those working on mass-spring systems and related calculations.

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Homework Statement


3. A mass of 0.3 kg is suspended from a spring of stiffness 200 N m–1. If
the mass is displaced by 10 mm from its equilibrium position and
released, for the resulting vibration, calculate:
(a) (i) the frequency of vibration

(ii) the maximum velocity of the mass during the vibration

(iii) the maximum acceleration of the mass during the vibration

(iv) the mass required to produce double the maximum velocity
calculated in (ii) using the same spring and initial deflection.

(b) Plot a graph of acceleration against displacement (x) (for values of x
from x = –10 mm to x = +10 mm)

Homework Equations


(a)
(i).. i used equation.. frequency=1/2pi*sqrt 200/0.3 = 4.11hz

(ii) to get angular frequency(w)... w=sqrt k/m ---> w= sqrt 200/0.3 = 25.82 rads

i used equation.. v=A*wcos(w*t+starting angle)---> 0.01*25.82cos(25.82*0+0)
v= 0.01*25.82cos ----> v= 0.2582 ms or 0.26 ms

(iii) equation used... a=A*w^2sin(w*t+starting angle) -->
a= 0.01*(25.82)^2sin(25.82*0+0)
a=0.01*(25.82)^2sin ----> a= 6.667 ms

(iv) i am unsure on how to calculate this can anyone offer any help with an equation to work it out so i can obtain the answer myself.

(b) i have 6.667 at -10mm and -6.667 at +10mm... i know they are correct but how can i calculate points in between like +/-5mm to get it more accurate..

The Attempt at a Solution



any help would be great but am not looking for the answers just an equation to help me
 
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for question (iv) i have done v*2= 0.2582*2=0.5164

if i do mass required for double velocity= m*v--> 0.3*0.2582=0.077 kg m
so if i do angular frequency (w)= sqrt k/m ----> sqrt 200/0.077 = 50.96

v= 0.01*50.96= 0.5096 which does not equal 2*v which is 0.5164

but if i do m*v and use 0.3*0.25= 0.075 kg m

so (w) = sqrt k/m ---> sqrt 200/0.075= 51.64

so v= 0.01*51.64= 0.5164 which equals the v*2 of 0.5164


which one am i doing correct or are they both wrong because i can't think of any way of doing it.
 
"Starting angle"? Why do you assume the mass is displaced angularly? I read it as being displaced vertically. Can't be angular because the length of the spring is not given ...
 
rude man said:
"Starting angle"? Why do you assume the mass is displaced angularly? I read it as being displaced vertically. Can't be angular because the length of the spring is not given ...

It's how it words the symbol in my lesson books.. So I get v=A*wcos (wt+0)
(wt+0) is called phase (rad) in my book
 

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