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The forum discussion centers on understanding the proof of Theorem 5.10 from Andrew Browder's "Mathematical Analysis: An Introduction," specifically regarding the necessity of the condition for the existence of the Riemann integral. Participants discuss the rigorous demonstration required to show that if the integral exists, then for every ε > 0, there exists a partition π of [a, b] such that the difference between the upper and lower sums, denoted as &overline;S(f, π) - &underline;S(f, π), is less than ε. The conversation highlights the importance of utilizing the definitions and properties of Riemann sums to construct a valid proof.

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I need help to prove a theorem effectively equivalencing Riemann and Darboux integration ...
I am reading Andrew Browder's book: "Mathematical Analysis: An Introduction" ... ...

I am currently reading Chapter 5: The Riemann Integral and am currently focused on Section 5.1 Riemann Sums ... ...

I need some help in understanding the proof of Theorem 5.10 ...Theorem 5.10 and its proof read as follows:
Browder - 1 - Theorem 5.10 ... PART 1 ... .png

Browder - 2 - Theorem 5.10 ... PART 2 ... .png

At the start of the above proof by Browder we read the following:

" ... ... The necessity of the condition is immediate from the definition of the integral ... ... " Can someone please help me to rigorously demonstrate the necessity of the condition ...

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Note: I am assuming that proving "the necessity of the condition is proving the following:##\int_a^b f \text{ exists } \Longrightarrow## ... for every ##\epsilon \gt 0 \ \exists \ ## a partition ##\pi## of ##[a, b]## such that ##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \epsilon## ... ...

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Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter
==========================================================================================Note: It may help Physics Forum readers of the above post to have access to Browder's notation, definitions and theorems on Riemann integration preliminary to Theorem 5.10 ... hence I am providing access to the same ... as follows:
Browder - 1 - Start of 5.1 - Relevant Defns & Propns ... PART 1 ... .png

Browder - 2 - Start of 5.1 - Relevant Defns & Propns ... PART 2 ... .png

Browder - 3 - Start of 5.1 - Relevant Defns & Propns ... PART 3 ... .png

Browder - 4 - Start of 5.1 - Relevant Defns & Propns ... PART 4 ... .png
Hope that text helps ...

Peter
 
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This would be a lot more readable if you just typed out the relevant definitions instead of a lot of images. That being said, here is how you can proceed (possibly I overcomplicated the matter though).

Let ##\epsilon > 0##. Choose ##\pi## as in the definition of integral such that for all corresponding ##\sigma## we have ##|S(f, \pi, \sigma)-I| < \epsilon/4##.

Since ##\overline{S}(f, \pi) = \sup\{S(f, \pi, \sigma): \sigma \mathrm{\ associated \ to \ \pi}\}##, we can select ##\sigma_1## such that ##\overline{S}(f, \pi)- S(f, \pi, \sigma_1)< \epsilon/4##. Similarly, one can choose ##\sigma_2## such that ##S(f, \pi, \sigma_2) - \underline{S}(f, \pi) < \epsilon/4##

Then ##\overline{S}(f, \pi) - \underline{S}(f, \pi) \leq |\overline{S}(f, \pi) - S(f,\pi, \sigma_1)| + |S(f, \pi, \sigma_1)-I| + |I-{S}(f, \pi, \sigma_2)|+ |S(f, \pi, \sigma_2)- \underline{S}(f, \pi, \sigma_2)| < \epsilon##

which is exactly what we want.
 
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Hi Peter,

a good strategy is always to write down what we have. Here we have that ##I:=\int_a^b f(x)\,dx## exists. Therefore we have to look at definition 5.4. which tells us ##|S(f,\pi,\sigma)-I|<\varepsilon_1\,##. Now we want to show that ##|\underline{S}(f,\pi)-\overline{S}(f,\pi)|<\varepsilon_2\,##.

Whenever we see something like ##|A-B|<\varepsilon ## then then triangle inequality lurks around the corner.
A standard procedure is now ##|A-B|=|A-C + (C-B)| \leq |A-C|+|B-C|## and the approximation of the two resulting summands to get an estimation of the original term.
 
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Thanks to fresh_42 and Math_QED for the hints ...

Based on your advice my proof proceeds as follows ...

We wish to prove:

##\int_a^b f \text{ exists } \Longrightarrow##] ... for every ##\epsilon \gt 0 \ \exists \ ## a partition ##\pi## of ##[a, b]## such that ##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \epsilon## ... ...Proof:

Let ##\int_a^b f = I ##

Then

##I## exists ##\Longrightarrow## for any ##\frac{ \epsilon }{2} \gt 0 \ \exists \ \pi_0## such that for any ##\pi \geq \pi_0## and every selection ##\sigma## associated with ##\pi## we have ##| s(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##Now ##| S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

implies that

##- \frac{ \epsilon }{2} \lt S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

and so, obviously, we have that

##S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (1)But ##| S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

... also implies that

##- \frac{ \epsilon }{2} \lt I - S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

so, obviously, we have that

##I - S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (2)

Now we also have that

##\underline{S} (f, \pi) \leq S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \leq \overline{S} (f, \pi)## ... ... ... ... ... (3)Now (1) and (3) imply

##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (4)Similarly (2) and (3) imply

##I - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (5)Adding (4) and (5) gives

##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \epsilon## ... ...
Is that basically correct?

Peter
 
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Thanks to fresh_42 and Math_QED for the hints ...

Based on your advice my proof proceeds as follows ...

We wish to prove:

##\int_a^b f \text{ exists } \Longrightarrow##] ... for every ##\epsilon \gt 0 \ \exists \ ## a partition ##\pi## of ##[a, b]## such that ##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \epsilon## ... ...Proof:

Let ##\int_a^b f = I ##

Then

##I## exists ##\Longrightarrow## for any ##\frac{ \epsilon }{2} \gt 0 \ \exists \ \pi_0## such that for any ##\pi \geq \pi_0## and every selection ##\sigma## associated with ##\pi## we have ##| s(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##Now ##| S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

implies that

##- \frac{ \epsilon }{2} \lt S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

and so, obviously, we have that

##S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (1)But ##| S(f, \pi, \sigma ) - I | \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

... also implies that

##- \frac{ \epsilon }{2} \lt I - S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}##

so, obviously, we have that

##I - S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (2)

Now we also have that

##\underline{S} (f, \pi) \leq S(f, \pi, \sigma ) \leq \overline{S} (f, \pi)## ... ... ... ... ... (3)Now (1) and (3) imply

##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - I \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (4)Similarly (2) and (3) imply

##I - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \frac{ \epsilon }{2}## ... ... ... ... ... (5)Adding (4) and (5) gives

##\overline{S} (f, \pi) - \underline{S} (f, \pi) \lt \epsilon## ... ...
Is that basically correct?

Peter

How do (1) and (3) imply (4)?

Similarly for (2) and (3) implies (5).
 
Hi Math_QED ...

Hmmm ... problem ... just checked ... the implications do not follow ... don't know what I was thinking ... apologies ..

Thanks again for your help ..

Peter
 
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Hi Math_QED ...

Hmmm ... problem ... just checked ... the implications do not follow ... don't know what I was thinking ... apologies ..

Thanks again for your help ..

Peter

No problem. A possible proof is in post #2.
 
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