The set of 4-degree polynomials (Linear algebra)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the set of all 4-degree polynomials and a specific subset defined by the condition p(-2) = p(2). Participants are tasked with finding a spanning set for this subset.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore potential polynomial forms and their coefficients to satisfy the given condition. There is a focus on understanding which terms can be included in the spanning set and the implications of including odd-degree terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided polynomial examples and engaged in reasoning about the dimensionality of the subset. There is recognition of the need to clarify the construction of the spanning set, and some guidance has been offered regarding the inclusion of specific polynomial terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly the implications of the condition p(-2) = p(2) on the polynomial terms. There is an acknowledgment of the dimensionality of the space and the relationships between coefficients.

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Homework Statement



If P is the set of all 4-degree polynomials, and W is the subset of all 4-degree polynomials such that p(-2) = p(2), find a set S such that W = span(S).

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My guess is that one set that works is x^4, x^2, and 1. My reasoning is that if x^3 is included, then you could take the coefficients of everything to be zero, and (-2)^3 =/= 2^3. Can't include x for similar reasons.

Really not sure, I feel like it is possible to construct a polynomial where p(-2) = p(2) but does include an x^3 or an x.
 
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Uh, 'I feel like' doesn't really help. Why don't you try and construct a polynomial such that ax^3+bx=p(x) and p(2)=p(-2)? Since you only have one restriction on the five dimensional subspace P, you really would expect W to have dimension 4.
 
ah, it took me a while but i got one.

x^3 + 3x^2 - 4x - 12

i guess i don't really understand the question then. how could such a set be constructed?
 
nietzsche said:
ah, it took me a while but i got one.

x^3 + 3x^2 - 4x - 12

i guess i don't really understand the question then. how could such a set be constructed?

It took too long because you were working too hard. You already know the span of 1, x^2 and x^4 are in W. The question you asked, and suspected is true, is whether a combination of x and x^3 are in W. If p(x)=ax^3+bx, then p(2)=8a+2b., p(-2)=(-8a-2b). The condition for them to be equal is 4a+b=0, right? So right again, you should include x^3-4x in the spanning vectors. You didn't need to fuss with the even power terms. You already know they work.
 
oh, i see. it makes perfect sense now. oh well, i guess i will just get part marks for that question then... thanks for the explanation.
 
A general fourth degree polynomial is of the form [itex]p(x)= ax^4+ bx^3+ cx^2+ dx+ e[/itex]. Then the condition that p(2)= p(-2) is that [itex]p(2)= 16a+ 8b+ 4c+ 2d+ e= p(-2)= 16a- 8b+ 4c- 2d+ e[/itex]. a, c, and e cancel immediately leaving [itex]8b+ 2d= -8b- 2d[itex]or [itex]16b+ 4d= 0[/itex]. That reduces to d= -4b while a, c, and e can be anything. Taking a= 1, b= c= d= e= 0 gives [itex]x^4[/itex]. Taking b= 1, a= c= e= 0, d= -4 gives [itex]x^3- 4x[/itex]. Taking c= 1, a= b= d= e= 0 gives [itex]x^2[/itex]. Taking e= 1, a= b= c= d= 0 gives [itex]1[/itex]. A basis for this space is {[itex]x^4[/itex], [itex]x^3- 4x[/itex], [itex]x^2[/itex], 1}.[/itex][/itex]
 

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