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The discussion revolves around the stabbing resistance of graphene, particularly in comparison to materials like Kevlar and steel. Participants explore the implications of material properties, weave structures, and the strength of graphene in practical scenarios, including potential testing methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the stabbing resistance of graphene may depend more on the weave of the material than on graphene's inherent strength.
  • There are claims that an inch of graphene could be impervious to a knife attack, but this is challenged by the possibility of the knife slipping through gaps in the weave.
  • A participant notes that Kevlar behaves differently under impact compared to a knife, which can penetrate between fibers.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of a quote stating that it would take an elephant balanced on a pencil to break through a sheet of graphene, with some participants expressing skepticism about its validity.
  • Another participant points out that stacking layers of graphene leads to graphite, complicating the testing of the quoted claim.
  • There is a discussion about the cutting ability of scissors on materials like Kevlar and graphene, with some suggesting that cutting involves severing fibers rather than parting them.
  • One participant proposes that a combination of graphene with another 2D material might allow for testing of the strength claims more effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the strength and stabbing resistance of graphene, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the need for further testing and clarification, while others challenge specific claims and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the properties of graphene, the effects of weaving, and the implications of stacking layers. The discussion also highlights the potential for misunderstanding the strength of individual sheets of graphene versus bulk materials.

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I've read that it's several times stronger than steel. I haven't read anything about its stabbing resistance against the tip of a knife, though. Does anyone have any ideas on this subject? Could a human stab through an inch of it?
 
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Something like that will depend more upon the weave than the material. Stainless steel can let a bullet through, and wool can stop one.
(By the bye, a Kevlar bullet-proof vest won't stop a knife.)
 
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Danger said:
Something like that will depend more upon the weave than the material. Stainless steel can let a bullet through, and wool can stop one.
(By the bye, a Kevlar bullet-proof vest won't stop a knife.)

Thanks for answering.

I presume you're saying an inch of graphene itself would be impervious to a knife attack. However, if weaved incorrect, the tip of a knife can part the material; therefore, passing through the gap in the fabric?
 
I don't actually know anything about graphene, but you have my concept understood. Kevlar acts almost like a sheer-thickening fluid when a bullet hits it; ie: it spreads the impact over a very wide area. A knife, on the other hand, can just slip through between the fibres. Many people have been dismayed to learn that during combat.
 
Danger said:
I don't actually know anything about graphene, but you have my concept understood. Kevlar acts almost like a sheer-thickening fluid when a bullet hits it; ie: it spreads the impact over a very wide area. A knife, on the other hand, can just slip through between the fibres. Many people have been dismayed to learn that during combat.

From what I can remember, Kevlar is stronger than steel. How is it that scissors can cut through a Kevlar string? In this case, wouldn't the fibers actually be getting cut instead of parted?
 
Scissors can cut through steel wool (i.e., steel fibre).
 
Well an "inch thick" sheet of graphene would essentially just be a slab of graphite. You could do this test yourself pretty easily.
 
dipole said:
Well an "inch thick" sheet of graphene would essentially just be a slab of graphite. You could do this test yourself pretty easily.

Well, I did do some more research today and found something interesting: “It would take an elephant, balanced on a pencil, to break through a sheet of graphene the thickness of Saran Wrap.”

I presume that basically would be equal to stabbing graphene.
 
Reptile202 said:
“It would take an elephant, balanced on a pencil, to break through a sheet of graphene the thickness of Saran Wrap.”
I'd really like to see a reliable source for that quote, because it reeks of BS.
 
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Danger said:
I'd really like to see a reliable source for that quote, because it reeks of BS.

Link to Columbia professor James Hone saying this.

That said, there are a number of reasons why this quote is misleading.
1: Stacking layers of graphene leads to the formation of graphite. Unless you can find a way to stack graphene without having individual sheets bond to each other, the quote will never be tested.
2. This makes people think an individual sheet of graphene is incredibly strong on the macroscale, it's not. I can easily cut through a graphene sheet with a pair of scissors.

Now if we can make a sandwich of graphene along with another 2D material (Hexagonal Boron nitride, for example) there is a possibility of being able to test a modified version of the saran wrap theory.
 
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Reptile202 said:
Well, I did do some more research today and found something interesting: “It would take an elephant, balanced on a pencil, to break through a sheet of graphene the thickness of Saran Wrap.”

I presume that basically would be equal to stabbing graphene.

Could be BS or it could just refer to the 'spreadability' of graphene. What sort of backing material would need to be used in order, actually, to support this elephant. I imagine that the layer of graphene could be very thin so, by some measure, you could say it hadn't been 'punctured'. A similar statement could possibly be made about a number of high pressure lubricating oils.
 

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