The Tricky Antiderivative: Solving the Integral of a Radical Function

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral of a radical function, specifically $$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x^2}{1-x^2}} dx $$, which is identified as an elliptic integral, complicating the search for an antiderivative. A modified integral $$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x}{1-x}} dx $$ is proposed, which is claimed to have an elementary antiderivative. Participants suggest various substitutions to simplify the integral, including completing the square and using trigonometric identities. The conversation highlights the challenges of finding antiderivatives for complex integrals and the importance of careful problem formulation. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need for strategic substitutions and transformations in integral calculus.
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1. The problem, the whole problem, and nothing but the problem

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x^2}{1-x^2}} dx $$

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I tried a partial fraction decomp, but this obviously didn't get me very far because this isn't a rational function. Is there some kind of ingenious substitution applicable here?
 
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I don't see any way to get an antiderivative. And Wolfram Alpha says it's an elliptic integral. I don't disagree. If it's a definite integral there might be a trick. Is that the whole problem?
 
Dick said:
I don't see any way to get an antiderivative. And Wolfram Alpha says it's an elliptic integral. I don't disagree. If it's a definite integral there might be a trick. Is that the whole problem?

... I made it up

I've changed the problem to the following:

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x}{1-x}} dx $$

According to wolfram, this does have a (nasty) elementary antiderivative. Any thoughts?
 
piercebeatz said:
... I made it up

You are making up HARD PROBLEMS.
 
Sorry for adding new detail to a previous post by the way, I just remembered that that's a big no-no
 
Making your own integrals isn't a good idea because you tend not to know if you can solve them. For example: \int e^{x^{2}} dx
 
The new integral you made up is solvable however. Do a u substitution.
 
piercebeatz said:
... I made it up

I've changed the problem to the following:

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x}{1-x}} dx $$

According to wolfram, this does have a (nasty) elementary antiderivative. Any thoughts?

Substitute something that would make that square root on the denominator much easier to deal with (or eliminate).
 
How about the substitution ## x = -2u - u^2##, ##dx = -2 - 2u##

$$ \int \sqrt{ \frac{1 - 2u-u^2}{1+2u + u^2} } (-2-2u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \frac{ \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} }{1+u}(1+u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} \, du$$

Alright, that looks fairly simple, but I'm blanking as to how I should deal with it.
 
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I'd say complete the square and then use a trig substitution.
 
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piercebeatz said:
How about the substitution ## x = -2u - u^2##, ##dx = -2 - 2u##

$$ \int \sqrt{ \frac{1 - 2u-u^2}{1+2u + u^2} } (-2-2u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \frac{ \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} }{1+u}(1+u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} \, du$$

Alright, that looks fairly simple, but I'm blanking as to how I should deal with it.

Why not ##x = 1 - u^2##?
 
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Alright, I completed the square, changing ##1-2u-u^2## to ## 2-(1+u)^2##.

$$ -2\int \sqrt{2-(1+u)^2} \, du $$

$$1+u = \sqrt{2} \sin\theta, \quad du = \sqrt{2} \cos \theta \, d\theta $$

$$ -2\sqrt{2} \int \cos \theta \sqrt{2-2 \sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ v = \sin \theta, \quad dv = \cos \theta \, d\theta$$

$$ -4 \int 1 - v^2 \, dv $$

$$ -4( v - v^3/3) $$

$$ 4(v^3/3 - v) $$

Before I go back and perform the various substitutions, is that correct?
 
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Curious3141 said:
Why not ##x = 1 - u^2##?

That would have truly been a wise choice
 
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piercebeatz said:
Alright, I completed the square, changing ##1-2u-u^2## to ## 2-(1+u)^2##.

$$ -2\int \sqrt{2-(1+u)^2} \, du $$

$$1+u = \sqrt{2} \sin\theta, \quad du = \sqrt{2} \cos \theta \, d\theta $$

$$ -2\sqrt{2} \int \cos \theta \sqrt{2-2 \sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ v = \sin \theta, \quad dv = \cos \theta \, d\theta$$

$$ -4 \int 1 - v^2 \, dv $$

$$ -4( v - v^3/3) $$

$$ 4(v^3/3 - v) $$

Before I go back and perform the various substitutions, is that correct?

Isn't 1 - sin2θ just cos2θ?
 
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runningninja said:
Isn't 1 - sin2θ just cos2θ?

-.- yes

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$
$$ -4 \int \cos^2 \theta \, d\theta $$
$$ -4 \int \frac{1+\cos(2\theta)}{2} d\theta $$
$$ -2\Big(\theta + \int \cos(2\theta) d\theta \Big)$$
$$ -2(\theta + \frac{ \sin(2\theta)}{2}) $$
$$ - \sin(2\theta) -2\theta $$
 

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