Theoretical physicist? mathematician? mathematical physicist?

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The discussion revolves around the dilemma faced by a first-year physics student regarding the choice between pursuing a career as a mathematician or a theoretical physicist. The conversation explores the relationship between mathematics and physics, particularly in the context of theoretical physics, and the student's concerns about their interests and future academic path.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a strong interest in mathematics over physics at this stage and questions whether they can pursue a Master's in mathematics after completing a Bachelor's in physics.
  • Concerns are raised about the perception of mathematics as merely a tool in physics, contrasting with a desire to understand the underlying principles of mathematics.
  • Another participant reflects on their own experience, noting that initial enthusiasm for mathematics can wane due to the rigor and abstraction in advanced mathematical subjects.
  • It is suggested that understanding the "why" and "how" of mathematical structures is crucial in theoretical physics, indicating a deeper engagement with mathematics beyond mere application.
  • A later reply shares a personal experience of finding quantum mechanics enjoyable and suggests that the student should wait until they take quantum physics to make a decision about their major.
  • One participant mentions the interest of some mathematicians in theoretical and mathematical physics, highlighting the interplay between the two fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mathematics and physics, with some emphasizing the importance of understanding mathematical rigor while others focus on practical applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the student's ultimate decision on their academic path.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential for changing interests as they progress in their studies, particularly with the introduction of quantum physics. There is an indication that the level of rigor in mathematics may influence one's interest in pursuing theoretical physics.

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i'm on first year of physics studies, but i got a little dilemma - do i want to be a mathematician, or phycist?
I'm thinking about being theoretical physicist - but at the moment - math is much much more interesting to me than physics. I think that may change when i'll start to learn about quantum physics - but I'm not certain about that.

What if that won't happened? Will i be able to go for Master degree in mathematics(after bachelor's in physics)?

What concerns me - all physicist from my university care about, for example, where they can use some piece of math - they treat it as a tool. What i care about is why some piece of math is the way it is.
Even my calculus lecturet told me, that as a physicist, i shouldn't care about all that stuff, because it's kind of useless for me.

And that raise doubts - was physics right choise?
 
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I think it's too early to tell. I had the same enthusiasm for the mathematical background you describe, but I lost that interest to some degree over the years. The level of rigor and abstraction can be quite "extreme" in the advanced mathematical subjects, which in my opinion goes a bit too far.

Having said that, mathematics in Theoretical physics goes a lot further than applying simple mathematical tools. In a lot of cases you really need to understand the "why" and "how" of certain mathematical structures in order to better understand and appreciate their physical consequences. Yes, there is plenty of math to learn in theoretical physics, especially in mathematical physics.

What you also see is that some mathematicians get interested in theoretical and mathematical physics since it puts their subject into a new context. A lot of math developed in the 20th century find their origin in a physical context.

I think, as a potential theoretical physicist, it's very natural to be interested in the rigor behind the math you come across, especially in the first few years. But in the end it's up to you to make a decision if you want to switch.
 
well basically I was in the same dilemma last year when I was a freshman..
Similarly to you, the mechanics or EM are pretty boring sometimes even annoying to me,
so I take intermediate QM this semester(griffiths) and find out it's REALLY FUN, especially when you are good at math.(linear algebra etc.)
now I decide to have a double major in physics and math, because I enjoy them both.

so my suggestion is, as you said, wait until you take quantum physics and then decide.
 

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