Therefore, Bill and Gina would have the same number of coins, 80 each.

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The problem involves determining the relationship between the number of coins in Bill's and Gina's collections, specifically that Bill's collection is 80 less than twice Gina's. The question posed is who has more coins, but participants note that there is not enough information to answer definitively.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of an equation based on the given relationship and express uncertainty about how to derive it. Some suggest translating the verbal statement into mathematical symbols. Others explore the implications of having one equation with two variables and question how to determine who has more coins without additional information.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to formulate the equation and questioning the adequacy of the information provided. Some guidance has been offered regarding the translation of the problem into an equation, but there is no consensus on how to proceed to find a specific answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem creates a linear equation with two variables, leading to an infinite number of solutions without additional constraints. The need for a second equation to solve for specific values is highlighted, indicating the limitations of the information given.

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Homework Statement


The number of coins in Bill's collection is 80 less than twice the number in Gina's collection.

Who has more coins?

The answer is "Not enough information to answer the question."

The Attempt at a Solution



The way you do these problems is figure out the equation then plug in different numbers. If you get two different answers it means the info you've been given is not enough to get an answer.

I just can't figure out how to make an equation. Could anybody explain in words how they come up with an equation to match that information?
 
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The answer is 'not enough information' because you can only make one equation with two variables. To find this out, just translate the words into symbols. What do you get if you try and directly translate the sentence?
 
Spirochete said:

Homework Statement


The number of coins in Bill's collection is 80 less than twice the number in Gina's collection.

Who has more coins?

The answer is "Not enough information to answer the question."

The Attempt at a Solution



The way you do these problems is figure out the equation then plug in different numbers.
That's not the way to do these problems successfully. After you get your equation, you solve the equation for the variable you're interested in, not just plug random numbers into it.
Spirochete said:
If you get two different answers it means the info you've been given is not enough to get an answer.

I just can't figure out how to make an equation. Could anybody explain in words how they come up with an equation to match that information?

Here's a start for you:
Let B = the number of coins in Bill's collection
Let G = the number of coins in Gina's collection

Now, can you translate this sentence into a mathematical equation, using the variables above?
"The number of coins in Bill's collection is 80 less than twice the number in Gina's collection."
 
B+80=2G

Is that right?
 
Spirochete said:
B+80=2G

Is that right?

Yes, that's correct.
 
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Now that you have an equation, can you answer the question: who has more coins?
 
Well I don't see how I could figure it out without plugging in two very different numbers for Bill, and then solving for Gina. I tried Bill=One and then Bill=1000 and got two different answers, therefore the answer is "not enough info."
 
This creates an equation with 2 variables.
B+80=2G

This is a linear equation. Let B=y and G=x

Therefore, y=2x-80
As you can see if you plotted the graph that any x\geq 40 corresponds with a different y value. In other words, as Bill's number of coins change, Gina's will change accordingly to satisfy this relationship. There are an infinite number of different possible solutions, and this is why there is not enough information to find a specific answer.

To solve for 2 variables, there needs to be 2 equations. So, say for e.g. there was also another set of criteria for this question. '100 coins minus Gina's coin collection is one fourth the size Bill's'

In equation form: 100-G=\frac{B}{4}

Therefore, y=-4x+400

Now we have 2 equations with 2 variables. This is now solvable for 1 specific x value and its corresponding y value. Graphically, it would be the intersection of these 2 equations.

So, to satisfy these 2 equations, x=80 (Bill's collection) and correspondingly, y=80 (Gina's collection).
 
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