Therefore D_n=\frac{2}{\pi(1-4n^2)}

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The discussion revolves around the integral representation of a function D_n, specifically the transformation from an integral involving sine and an exponential function to a simplified expression. The subject area includes complex analysis and integral calculus.

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  • Participants explore various methods to evaluate the integral, including integration by parts and rewriting sine as an exponential function. Some express uncertainty about handling the variable n, while others clarify its role as a constant during integration.

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D_n=\frac{1}{\pi}\int_0^\pi\sin{(t)}\cdot e^{-i2nt}dt=\frac{2}{\pi(1-4n^2)}

I have no idea on how they get from one side of the equation symbol to the other, can i get some tips and tricks ?

I have try ed writing sint as an exp function, but i don't feel it gets me anywhere close.
 
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and the formulae here -:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#Product-to-sum_and_sum-to-product_identities

will help you in solving the integral ;). Though I don't know why a simple by parts integration doesn't suit you..
 
Hmm, I am unsure on how to threat the variable n
 
You needn't worry about 'n'. It isn't being integrated. Worry about 't', and 'n' will resolve itself after a little algebra. In simpler terms, n is a constant and t is the variable during integration.
 
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Ok, this is where I am at now. But I am stuck once more.

D_k = \frac{2 cos^2(n\pi)+sin(2\pi n)}{1-4n^2}
 
gabel said:
D_n=\frac{1}{\pi}\int_0^\pi\sin{(t)}\cdot e^{-i2nt}dt=\frac{2}{\pi(1-4n^2)}

I think it's easier to write the sine as exponential, which gives you
D_n=\frac{1}{2 \pi i}\int_0^\pi (e^{i t} - e^{-i t}) e^{-i2nt}dt = \frac{1}{2 \pi i}\int_0^\pi (e^{-i(2n-1)t} - e^{-i(2n+1)t})dt
= \frac{1}{2 \pi i} \left[ \frac{1}{-i(2n-1)} ( e^{-i(2n-1)\pi} - 1 ) - \frac{1}{-i(2n+1)} ( e^{-i(2n+1)\pi} - 1 ) \right]
= \frac{1}{2 \pi i} \frac{1}{-i(2n-1)(2n+1)} \left[ (2n+1) e^{-i(2n-1)\pi} - (2n+1) - (2n-1) e^{-i(2n+1)\pi} + (2n-1) \right]
= \frac{1}{2 \pi (2n-1)(2n+1)} \left[ 2n e^{i\pi} - 2n e^{-i\pi} + e^{i\pi} + e^{-i\pi} - 2 \right]
= \frac{1}{2 \pi (2n-1)(2n+1)} \left[ 2n (-1) - 2n (-1) + (-1) + (-1) - 2 \right] = \frac{-4}{2 \pi (4n^2-1)} = \frac{2}{\pi (1-4n^2)}
 
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You're almost there, the penultimate step. Now cos(npi) = (-1)^n and sin(2npi) = 0. What would cos^2(npi) be? Hint : What does your answer require?
 
gabel said:
D_n=\frac{1}{\pi}\int_0^\pi\sin{(t)}\cdot e^{-i2nt}dt=\frac{2}{\pi(1-4n^2)}

I have no idea on how they get from one side of the equation symbol to the other, can i get some tips and tricks ?

I have try ed writing sint as an exp function, but i don't feel it gets me anywhere close.

Or it could be done by integrate by parts twice.(I know it's kinda retarded.)
\int_0^\pi\sin{t}e^{-j2nt}dt =
=-\cos{t}e^{-j2nt}-j2n \int_0^\pi\cos{t}\c e^{-j2nt}dt =
=-\cos{t}e^{-j2nt}-j2n \sin{t}e^{-j2nt}+4n^{2}\int_0^\pi\sin{t}\c e^{-j2nt}dt =

hence
\int_0^\pi\sin{t}\ce^{-j2nt}dt =\frac{e^{-j2nt}(-\cos{t}-j2n\sin{t})}{1-4n^{2}}|^{\pi}_{0}=\frac{2}{1-4n^{2}}
 

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