Thermal expansion of a metal round disk with hole in the middle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the thermal expansion of a metal round disk with a hole in the middle, specifically how the inner and outer diameters change when the disk is heated to 320 degrees Celsius. Participants explore the implications of these changes for fitting the disks into a restricted space within a machine.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the diameters of the disk at high temperature, noting the importance of fitting the disks in a restricted space.
  • Another participant asserts that all dimensions, including the inner diameter, will increase with temperature, providing a formula for linear expansion.
  • A different participant challenges the initial assumption that the inner diameter gets smaller, stating that the hole actually gets larger, which is described as a common misconception.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about being questioned on this topic during a job interview, indicating some uncertainty despite initially answering correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the behavior of the inner diameter of the disk when heated. Some assert that it increases, while others initially believed it would decrease. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these changes for the specific application mentioned.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the exact values of the coefficient of thermal expansion for the material in question, as well as the specific calculations needed to determine the diameters at elevated temperatures.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in engineering, materials science, or anyone working with thermal expansion in practical applications, particularly in machinery design and manufacturing.

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This is my first post on this forum because I have a question that I cannot seem to answer myself.

At my working place we have a machine where a metal conveyor belt is running through a section of the machine where the temperature is constant at 320 degrees celsius. On this conveyor belt are metal round disks with a hole in the middle.

I know that when such a disk is heated from room temperature to higher temperature, the inner diameter of the disk (so in fact the diameter of the hole) gets smaller (right ?)

I also know that the outside diameter of the disk itself will get larger.

But the question is: how do I calculate this ?

Let's say the outer diameter of the disk is 10 cm and the inner diameter of the hole is 8 cm at room temperature. How do I calculate these diameters at 320 C.

I need an answer badly because inside the hot part of the machine there is resitricted space and we want to put disks through the machine that fit at room temperature, but we are not sure if they fit at high temperature. We can easily test this, but there is a risk that we damage the machine if the disks would become to large.

The disks are in the machine long enough to reach 320 C themselves before they arrive at this restriction.

Many thanks in advance.
 
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All dimensions (inner diameter or radius included) will increase when temperature is increased.
The hole gets bigger when the temperature is increased.
A good approximation is given by the formula for linear expansion
l=lo(1+alpha * deltaT)
where lo is the initial value of the linear dimension (diameter, thickness, etc), alpha is the coefficient of thermal expansion for the material and deltaT is the increase in temperature.
For common metals alpha has typical values of the order of 10^(-5). So for a temperature increase of 300 Celsius, I would expect that the change in dimensions will be of the order of a few percent.
 
tbone_nl said:
a disk is heated from room temperature to higher temperature, the inner diameter of the disk (so in fact the diameter of the hole) gets smaller (right ?)
Actually, no, the hole gets larger. This is a common misconception.
 
Yeah, it get larger. They even asked me this question at my current job interview. I answered that "it gets larger" even though I did have a hint of a doubt in my mind.

The guy then said "are you sure?"...but luckily he started laughing before I managed to say "No..."
 

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