Thermodynamic Potentials in Proper Variables

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The discussion focuses on deriving the thermodynamic potentials H, F, and G from the given energy equation for a solid. Participants emphasize the importance of using Maxwell's relations and the definitions of the potentials, specifically H = U + PV, F = U - TS, and G = U - TS + PV. A key step involves finding pressure and temperature as derivatives of the internal energy U with respect to volume and entropy. The conversation highlights the challenges in expressing volume in terms of entropy and pressure, with one participant successfully resolving their confusion through clarification. Overall, the thread provides insights into applying thermodynamic principles to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


A solid has energy (for one mole):

##U_1 =\frac{S^2}{a_1}+b_1V(V-2V_0)##

Write H, F, and G in terms of their proper variables.

Homework Equations



Maxwell's relations and
H=U+PV
F=U-TS
G=U-TS+PV

The Attempt at a Solution


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H, for example:

I have tried writing dV as a sum of partial derivatives times total differentials:

##dV=\frac{\partial V}{\partial S}dS+\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}dP##

I have no idea how to get V in terms of S and P.

I have similar problems for the other cases.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Under relevant equations you mentioned Maxwells equations.
 
Maxwell's relations. I still don't know how that gives anything concrete.
 
Well, probably the first step is to find pressure as ##p=-\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}|_S## and an analogous relation for temperature. For the rest, you don't even need differentials.
 
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DrDu said:
Well, probably the first step is to find pressure as ##p=\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}|_V## and an analogous relation for temperature. For the rest, you don't even need differentials.

How did you find that?
 
Sorry, I was already thinking in temperature when writing down this. I corrected the expression in #4.
 
Thanks sir! Your response helped me solve the problem.
 
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