Thermodynamic Properties of high pressure gases

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding thermodynamic properties of gases, specifically the kinematic and absolute viscosity of air at high pressure (330 bar) and a temperature of approximately 300 Kelvin. Participants share resources and methods for obtaining this data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about sources for thermodynamic properties of gases at high pressure, specifically kinematic viscosity of air.
  • Another participant notes that different aerospace companies have their own versions of air tables, which can vary significantly.
  • A link to the NIST webbook is provided as a potential resource for the required data.
  • A repeated inquiry for the source of a viscosity value leads to a mention of the NIST REFPROP program, which is noted to cost $200.
  • A participant shares their findings using ASPEN software, providing specific values for dynamic and kinematic viscosity at the specified conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single source for the viscosity data, as multiple resources and methods are suggested, indicating a variety of approaches and potential discrepancies in values.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the gas properties, as well as potential variations in data from different sources, which are not resolved in the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for researchers or engineers looking for methods to obtain thermodynamic properties of gases at high pressures, particularly in aerospace or related fields.

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Hi,

Anyone know where I can find thermodynamic properties of gases at high pressure? More specifically I need to find the kinematic viscosity or the absolute viscosity of air at around 300 degrees Kelvin and 330 bar.

Cheers
 
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It depends on what gas and who you talk to. All the major aerospace companies for example have their own version of air tables (for high temp/high pressure). They can vary quite significantly.
 
http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/fluid/" should have the data you're after. Otherwise, a thermodynamic properties of air table at the local school library would have it too. You might even be able to find a table online if you search in google for "themodynamic properties of air."
 
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0507476h said:
Hi,

Anyone know where I can find thermodynamic properties of gases at high pressure? More specifically I need to find the kinematic viscosity or the absolute viscosity of air at around 300 degrees Kelvin and 330 bar.

Cheers

Air @ 300 K and 330 bar:

Kin. Viscosity = 0.00000090477 (ft²/s)

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Air @ 300 K and 330 bar:

Kin. Viscosity = 0.00000090477 (ft²/s)

CS



Thank-you for this, could you tell me how you calculated/where you found this data? Just so I can do it for myself in future as I reckon I will have a range of other pressures and temps to calculate kinematic viscosity for in future.

Thanks
 
0507476h said:
Thank-you for this, could you tell me how you calculated/where you found this data? Just so I can do it for myself in future as I reckon I will have a range of other pressures and temps to calculate kinematic viscosity for in future.

Thanks

NIST has a program called REFPROP 8.0 that gives this information. Check the link above from Mech_Engineer and they will probably have a link for it. It cost $200 for copy last time I checked.

CS
 
Hi
I used ASPEN to find the answer
At 300K and 330 bar
Dynamic Viscosity=0.0299 cp =2.99e-5 Pa.sec
Kinematic Viscosity=8.566e-8 m^2/sec
 

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