How Does Thermodynamics Explain Work Done in Biological Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work done by and on biological systems, particularly in the context of thermodynamics. Participants explore how these concepts apply to living organisms and provide examples of both scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define work in thermodynamic terms, explaining it as force multiplied by distance, using the example of gas in a piston.
  • One participant describes biological systems as heat engines that convert internal chemical energy into mechanical work, citing the human body and heart as examples.
  • Another participant suggests that work is primarily done by biological systems, indicating that examples of work done on these systems are less common.
  • In contrast, a different participant argues against the notion that work is rarely done on biological systems, providing multiple examples such as an infant drawing milk, a python constricting prey, and other interactions with the environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the frequency of work being done on biological systems. While some suggest it is rare, others provide examples indicating that it occurs regularly. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the prevalence of work done on biological systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the definitions and examples of work done by and on biological systems, leading to varying interpretations of the thermodynamic principles involved.

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What is meant by work done by the system and work done on the system, in biological systems?

In physics related systems however:
Work is simply a force multiplied by the distance moved in the direction of the force. A good example of a thermodynamic system that can do work is the gas confined by a piston in a cylinder. If the gas is heated, it will expand and push the piston up, thereby doing work on the piston. If the piston is pushed down, on the other hand, the piston does work on the gas and the gas does negative work on the piston. This is an example of how work is done by a thermodynamic system.
 
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SanjuktaGhosh said:
What is meant by work done by the system and work done on the system, in biological systems?

In physics related systems however:
Work is simply a force multiplied by the distance moved in the direction of the force. A good example of a thermodynamic system that can do work is the gas confined by a piston in a cylinder. If the gas is heated, it will expand and push the piston up, thereby doing work on the piston. If the piston is pushed down, on the other hand, the piston does work on the gas and the gas does negative work on the piston. This is an example of how work is done by a thermodynamic system.
In thermodynamics work (W) is macroscopic mechanical work performed by a system of molecules in moving between states of thermodynamic equilibrium. It is not difficult to find examples of biological systems doing work. It is a bit more difficult to provide examples of work being done on such systems. Living systems are essentially heat engines to do macroscopic mechanical work.

A biological system doing work: The human body can mechanically lift a weight for example. The muscle movement required to lift a weight is the result of thermodynamic processes taking place in muscle cells that convert internal (chemical) energy into heat flow. The human heart can be thought of as a thermodynamic system that uses internal (chemical) energy in its cells to create heat flow that causes the heart muscle to contract and expand, pumping blood through the body.

Doing work on a biological system: By applying CPR to a stopped human heart, one does work on that system and causes the heart to pump blood.

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Sorry for the late response. So basically for biological systems work is being done by the system and rarely on the system.
 
I would not say "rarely", because work is being done on biological systems all the time. For example, when a mammal infant draws milk from its mother it is doing work on a biological system; or when a python squeezes its prey; or when air currents lift a bird; or when a wind gust breaks a tree branch; or when a tree root pushes soil to grow roots (the soil being a sort of biological system); etc.

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