Thermodynamics (Kelvin-Planck statement )

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem related to the Kelvin-Planck statement and the isothermal expansion of a gas. Participants are exploring the implications of energy conversion during this process and its consistency with the second law of thermodynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the nature of energy conversion during isothermal expansion and whether the absorbed energy is fully converted into work. There are discussions about the relationship between absorbed energy, kinetic energy, and the conservation of energy.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts and seeking clarification on the concepts involved. Some have offered insights into the relationship between heat and kinetic energy, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the original problem statement.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of work and energy conservation in thermodynamic processes. Additionally, one participant has shifted the focus to a request for a derivation unrelated to the main discussion, which may affect the flow of the conversation.

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Hi, I got a problem in thermodynamics.

Q. In an isothermal expansion of a gas the energy absorbed by the gas is completely converted to work. Explain how this process can still be consistent with the Kelvin-Planck statement of the second law of thermodynamics.

I thought that's because the question is describing only a part of a cycle and not the full cycle. But i cannot explain further in words... how can i answer this question in full-mark style?
 
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The energy absorbed by the gas is completely converted into the random kinetic energy of the molecules of gas. Is that energy 'work' in the thermodynamic sense?
 
So,... although energy absorbed by the gas is completely converted to work, the energy is disordered, and so the energy is not actually conserved.
Is that what you mean??
 
Who said energy wasn't conserved??! I'm just saying I don't think the absorbed energy is 'completely converted into work'. But I'm not an expert in this subject. How about posting your analysis of the details and see if someone who is an expert has a comment.
 
Hah! Boy, was I wrong. Told you I wasn't an expert. I've just figured out that the heat absorbed by the gas IS completely converted to kinetic energy. If you can figure out the reasoning that led me to this you might be on the way to filling out the answer in such a way is to get full marks. Think about internal energy of the gas before and after the expansion.
 
why kelvin-plank statement is called cyclic?
 
can anyone please derive it and post here the derivation of compressibility factor using vanderwaals equations...
final equatn should be in terms of volume,a and b constants,R...PLEASE DO IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
 

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