Thermodynamics : molar specific heats for gases

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the temperature rise in a concert hall due to the metabolic heat generated by an audience over a specified time period. The context is thermodynamics, specifically focusing on molar specific heats for gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of specific heat capacities for different types of gases, questioning whether to use the monatomic or diatomic heat capacity for air. There is an exploration of the calculations involved in determining the temperature change, with some participants expressing confusion about the results obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the appropriateness of the heat capacity values used. Some have provided alternative values and expressed uncertainty about the discrepancies in their results.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the composition of air, noting the presence of both monatomic and diatomic gases, which may affect the choice of specific heat capacity. There is mention of the need for clarity on which heat capacity to apply in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



An audience of 2750 fills a concert hall of volume 35000 m3. If there were no ventilation, by how much would the temperature of the air rise over a period of 2.0 h due to the metabolism of the people (70 W/person)?

Homework Equations



Q= nCvΔT
Cv= (3/2) R

The Attempt at a Solution


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Since the v keeps constant, we use Cv to calculate the change of T of the air. We want to get the value of ΔT and we know n and Cv.

The total heat release by audience: 2750 x 70 x 2.0 x 60 x 60 = 1386000000 J

PV=nRT, so n = PV/RT = (1.013 x 10^5 x 35000) / (8.314 x (20 + 273.15)) = 1454713 mole

Cv = 1.5 x 8.314 =12.471

ΔT = Q/ (n x Cv) = 76.3 K... which doesn't make sense.
 
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What about your answer doesn't make sense?
 
Oh sorry! I forgot to add that the answer is 43.1 K.
 
(3/2)R is the constant volume heat capacity of a monatomic ideal gas. Give you any ideas?
 
Yes I am kind of confused about which volume heat capacity I should use, since there are both monatomic and diatomic gas in air.
For diatomic gas, the heat capacity is 5/2 R, but I don't know if I should use that.
 
R2D2 said:
Yes I am kind of confused about which volume heat capacity I should use, since there are both monatomic and diatomic gas in air.
For diatomic gas, the heat capacity is 5/2 R, but I don't know if I should use that.

Which gases are monatomic? Nitrogen (79% of air)? Oxygen (21%)? Looks like everything else in the air is basically at trace levels only.
 
SteamKing said:
Which gases are monatomic? Nitrogen (79% of air)? Oxygen (21%)? Looks like everything else in the air is basically at trace levels only.

So Cv should be 5/2 R instead of 3/2 R!
but I plug in Cv = 5/2 R I get 45.8 K as the answer, still not correct.. I don't know what is going wrong here with three degrees difference.
 
anyone helps? : P
 

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