Thermodynamics: Possible process between a van der Waals gas and an ideal gas

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The discussion focuses on the thermodynamic relationship between a van der Waals gas and an ideal gas, specifically addressing energy variations and entropy changes. It establishes that the internal energy for a monatomic ideal gas is represented as u = CRT, while for a van der Waals gas, it is u = CRT - a/v. The analysis concludes that the final temperature T_f equals the initial temperature T_1, and emphasizes the importance of reversible processes in understanding the constraints of entropy changes, particularly in the context of constant temperature reservoirs.

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Homework Statement
One mole of a monatomic ideal gas and one mole of an ideal van der Waals fluid with c = 3/2 are contained separately in vessels of fixed volumes v1 and v2. The temperature of the ideal gas is T1 and that of the van der Waals fluid is T2. It is desired to bring the ideal gas to temperature T2, maintaining the total energy constant. What is the final temperature of the van der Waals fluid? What restrictions apply among the parameters (T 1, T2 , a, b, v1, v2) if it is to be possible to design an engine to accomplish this temperature inversion (assuming, as always, that no external system is to be altered in the process)?
Relevant Equations
Internal energy of an ideal gas: ## u = CRT##
Internal energy of the van der Waals fluid: ##u = CRT - \frac{a}{v}##
Since the energy variation is zero:

$$
\Delta U = \Delta U_{1} + \Delta U_{2} = 0
$$

The energy for a monatomic ideal gas is ## u = CRT##, and the energy for a Van der Waals gas is

$$
u = CRT - \frac{a}{v},
$$

obtained through

$$
\frac{1}{T} = \frac{CR}{a + \frac{a}{v}}.
$$

Summing the internal energies:

$$
\text{CRT}_{1} + \text{CRT}_{2} - \frac{a}{v_{2}} = \text{CRT}_{1} + \text{CRT}_{f} - \frac{a}{v_{2}}
$$

$$
T_{1} + T_{2} = T_{2} + T_{f}
$$

$$
T_{1} = T_{f}
$$

This is the first part of the problem. I'm not sure about the answer... I’ve seen other solutions that gave quite different results, but I don’t know how to arrive at those or if they are correct.

To identify the second question, to identify the constraints, ##\Delta S \geq 0 \##. I tried using molar entropy to simplify.

The change in molar entropy for an ideal gas is:

$$
\Delta S = cR \ln\left(\frac{T}{T_{0}}\right) + R \ln\left(\frac{v}{v_{0}}\right)
$$

Applying it to the problem, we have:

$$
\Delta S = cR \ln\left(\frac{T_{2}}{T_{1}}\right) + R \ln\left(\frac{v_{1}}{v_{1}}\right)
$$

Since the volume does not vary, we have:

$$
\Delta S = cR \ln\left(\frac{T_{2}}{T_{1}}\right)
$$

The change in entropy for a Van der Waals gas is:

$$
\Delta S = R \ln\left(\frac{v_{1} - b}{v_{0} - b}\right) + cR \ln\left(\frac{T_{1}}{T_{0}}\right)
$$

Applying it to the problem, we have:

$$
\Delta S = R \ln\left(\frac{v_{2} - b}{v_{2} - b}\right) + cR \ln\left(\frac{T_{1}}{T_{2}}\right)
$$

$$
\Delta S = cR \ln\left(\frac{T_{1}}{T_{2}}\right)
$$


But if I sum the entropies, it only results in zero, and I can't analyze the constraints.
 
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Suppose you first put the ideal gas container in contact with a continuous sequence of constant temperature reservoirs running from T1 to T2, and then you put the VDW gas container in contact with this same continuous sequence of constant temperature reservoirs sequenced in reverse from T2 to T1.

The trick to this problem is devising the reversible process described above.
 
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