Understanding Pressure Changes in Thermodynamics: Explained with an Example

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SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on the mechanics of pressure regulation in a piston-cylinder system during the heating of water, specifically addressing how a fixed mass on the piston maintains constant pressure. As the water heats and transitions from liquid to vapor, the volume increases due to the generation of gas, but the pressure remains constant because the mass counteracts the pressure increase. The principles of thermodynamics, particularly the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature, are applied, clarifying that while the volume of gas increases, the mass on the piston ensures that pressure does not rise.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic thermodynamic principles, including the ideal gas law (PV=nRT).
  • Familiarity with the concepts of phase changes in pure substances, particularly water.
  • Knowledge of piston-cylinder systems and their role in thermodynamic processes.
  • Basic grasp of the conservation of mass and its implications in phase transitions.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the principles of phase transitions in thermodynamics, focusing on subcooled liquids and superheated vapors.
  • Learn about the effects of external forces on gas behavior in piston-cylinder systems.
  • Explore the concept of molar volume differences between liquids and gases.
  • Investigate the role of friction in piston-cylinder dynamics and its impact on pressure regulation.
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This discussion is beneficial for students studying thermodynamics, particularly those focusing on fluid mechanics, engineers working with piston-cylinder systems, and anyone interested in the behavior of pure substances during phase changes.

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I'm doing a class on thermodynamics and energy and well there's this chapter about pure substances and subcooled liquids, saturated liquids, superheated, etc. stuff like that.
The chapter begins by showing a piston-cylinder in an initial state containing liquid water and a mass is kept on top of it to keep the pressure constant. Thats what I don't understand, how can a mass on top of the piston keep the pressure constant?, I mean first of all as the water is heated should the volume not increase(as gas) by the PV=mRT, and since volume is proportional to pressure it should increase too?

Can someone explain how the fixed mass on top of the piston-cylinder device keeps pressure constant as the water is heating through several phases.

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DiamondV said:

Homework Statement



The chapter begins by showing a piston-cylinder in an initial state containing liquid water and a mass is kept on top of it to keep the pressure constant. Thats what I don't understand, how can a mass on top of the piston keep the pressure constant?, I mean first of all as the water is heated should the volume not increase(as gas) by the PV=mRT, and since volume is proportional to pressure it should increase too?

Can someone explain how the fixed mass on top of the piston-cylinder device keeps pressure constant as the water is heating through several phases.
Neglect friction between the piston and cylinder and assume that any changes to the gas will occur slowly. What are the external forces on the gas in the cylinder? Do those forces change? Does the area of the piston change?

If you add heat flow to the gas (increasing T), PV will increase. But in this case, since the piston is free to move V increases. Why would P increase?

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DiamondV said:

Homework Statement


I'm doing a class on thermodynamics and energy and well there's this chapter about pure substances and subcooled liquids, saturated liquids, superheated, etc. stuff like that.
The chapter begins by showing a piston-cylinder in an initial state containing liquid water and a mass is kept on top of it to keep the pressure constant. Thats what I don't understand, how can a mass on top of the piston keep the pressure constant?, I mean first of all as the water is heated should the volume not increase(as gas) by the PV=mRT, and since volume is proportional to pressure it should increase too?

For an ideal gas at constant m and T, volume is inversely proportional to pressure. But, that is not what is happening in your experiment. Moreover, liquid water does not even obey the ideal gas low.

In your experiment, both P and T are constant as liquid evaporates to form vapor. If V is increasing, that must mean that the number of moles of gas m is increasing. And, the number of moles of liquid must be decreasing by the same amount (since mass is conserved). But the molar volume of the liquid is much less than the molar volume of the vapor that is produced. So the total volume of liquid and gas increases.
 

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