Thermodynamics: Water vapor vessel plunged into water ice bath

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a closed rigid vessel containing water vapor that is plunged into an ice bath. Participants explore the implications of the process on volume, temperature, pressure, and phase changes, addressing various aspects of thermodynamic principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the process is isobaric, seeking clarification on the conditions of the system.
  • Another participant suggests that in a closed and rigid vessel, volume, mass, and specific volume remain constant.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of condensation and its role in determining the temperature and pressure at which it begins.
  • Reference to steam tables is made as a potential resource for solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the constancy of volume and mass in the closed rigid vessel, but the nature of the process (isobaric or not) and the specifics of condensation remain points of inquiry without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the condensation process on the temperature and pressure, nor have they established the final state of the system in detail.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in thermodynamics, particularly those studying phase changes and properties of gases and liquids in closed systems.

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Homework Statement



A closed rigid vessel contains 0.1 kg of water vapor (steam) at 1 bar and 200 C. The vessel is plunged into a bath containing water and ice. After the vessel cools and reaches equilibrium with the bath, the bath still contains water and ice.

a. What is the volume contained by the vessel initially? Finally?

b. As the vessel cools, at what temperature and pressure does condensation begin?

c. What is the final temperature and pressure in the vessel?

d. What is the quality of the water in the final state?

Homework Equations



I am not sure how to even start. Any push in the right direction would be great.

Is this an isobaric process?

The Attempt at a Solution



Initial V_i = v*m = 2.172*0.1 = 0.2172, where v = specific volume(found in a table)

If it is an isobaric process, then Q = [change in]U + W = n(c_v + R)[change in]T
 
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aznkid310 said:
Is this an isobaric process?

If the vessel is closed and rigid, what variable is absolutely kept constant?
 
It would appear that Volume V, mass m, and thus specific volume v are kept constant
 
Agreed.
 
So that answers part a, but what about the rest. What is it about condensation (gas to liquid) that helps m solve b?
 
Steam tables.
 

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