Thickness of a cylinder in a compound thin cylinder

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The discussion focuses on calculating the thickness of a compound thin cylinder, where the inner cylinder has a thickness of 2.5mm and there is a diameter interference of 4.305x10^-3mm. Participants express confusion about starting the calculations without knowing the diameters of the cylinders, but they agree that the outer cylinder will experience tension while the inner cylinder will experience compression due to the interference. The use of Young's modulus (E=200GPa) is noted as essential for determining stress and strain relationships. The conversation emphasizes the need for algebraic expressions rather than numerical solutions to clarify the relationships between the variables involved. Ultimately, the goal is to derive the thickness of the outer cylinder, which is suggested to be 2mm based on the calculations discussed.
  • #31
haruspex said:
That will be the reduction in circumference, yes. But as I wrote, it will be more helpful to consider the fractional change.
You are given a certain coefficient E of the material. If there is a certain fractional change in the length of the circumference, what does that tell you about the circumferential compression force?

It tells me that the circumferential compression force is increased thus reducing that circumference. I don't quite understand what you mean by a fractional change?
 
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  • #32
Fractional change = ( new value - original value ) / ( original value )

I think that @haruspex is trying to steer you towards thinking about the idea of strain . Look it up .
 
  • #33
DevonZA said:
circumferential compression force is increased thus reducing that circumference.
Right, but what is the algebraic relationship? You are given a value for "E". Do you understand that this is the Young's modulus for the material? Do you know how this relates stress to strain?
Nidum said:
Fractional change = ( new value - original value ) / ( original value )
Thanks Nidum.
 
  • #34
haruspex said:
Right, but what is the algebraic relationship? You are given a value for "E". Do you understand that this is the Young's modulus for the material? Do you know how this relates stress to strain?

Thanks Nidum.

E=σ/ε
 
  • #35
DevonZA said:
E=σ/ε
Ok, so express the strain, ε, in terms of ri and R.
Then get an expression for the circumferential stress, σ.
 
  • #36
haruspex said:
Ok, so express the strain, ε, in terms of ri and R.
Then get an expression for the circumferential stress, σ.

Hi Haruspex

sorry for my delayed response.
Please see the answer provided by my lecturer below:

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  • #38
haruspex said:
Looks like the same approach I was trying to lead you through, just done in a different order.

As long as the answer is correct :)
Thank you for your help.
 
  • #39
If I am too late, sorry. Just working on this question myself now.

σc=(Pd)/(2t)
the circumferential strain ε=σ/E = (Pd)/(2tE) but εc= (πΔd)/d
diametral strain εd=Δd/d
∴εc=εd the change in diameter = (Pd^2)/(2tE)
The sum of changes in the diameters of the two cylinders is equal to the interference between the diameters before shrinkage.
∴(Pd^2/2tE)inner + (Pd^2/2tE)outer = 4.305x10-3
∴((200x103)(0.0952))/((2(0.0025)(200x109))+((200x103)(0.12))/((2(t)(200x109))=4.305x10-6
1.805x10-6+(5x10-9)/t=2.5x10-6
to=0.002m = 2mm

b) Not sure about this part...
Now consider the inner cylinder:
inner pressure of 180 kPa and radial pressure of 200 kPa from outside
σc=pd/2t = ((180000-200000)(0.095))/(2x0.0025)
= -0.38 MPa

consider outer cylinder:
180 kPa+200kPa
σc=pd/2t = ((180000+200000)(0.1))/(2x0.002)
= 9.5 MPaThe first part I could confirm with answer in my textbook, but the second part I had to trust is correct..
 
  • #40
Ah, I missed the second page of comments with all the answers on...
Well, confirmed my own answers, so thanks!
 
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