Think the Mass is correct, unsure on Reaction Force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of mass and reaction forces related to a concrete column in a physics homework problem. Participants explore the relationships between density, volume, mass, and forces acting on the column, including the application of Newton's laws.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the mass of concrete using the formula for density and volume, arriving at a mass of 576 kg based on a volume of 0.24 m³.
  • Another participant questions the mass calculation, suggesting a total mass of 1000 kg, leading to confusion about the density of concrete.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of using units and clarifies the volume calculation as 0.24 m³.
  • There is a discussion about the reaction force at the base of the column, with one participant asserting it is derived from Newton's third law, while another argues it relates to equilibrium considerations from Newton's first law.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of density and how it applies to the mass of concrete in the context of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct mass of the concrete and the interpretation of the reaction force, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of density and its application to the mass calculation, as well as the distinction between Newton's laws in the context of reaction forces.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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kg/m3 = mass / volume

Downward forces on the column = Weight + Additional force
(F=ma)

The Attempt at a Solution


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kg/m3 = mass / volume
Therefore, 2400 = mass / (0.3 x 0.4)
Mass = 576 kg
Downward forces on the column = Weight + Additional force
(F=ma) = (576 x 9.81) + 10 kN
= 15.7 kN
Every force has an equal and opposite reaction (Newtons 3rd Law). Hence the reaction force at the base of the column = 15.7 kN

 
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The volume of the concrete is 2 m * 0.3 m * 0.4 m = 0.24 m3.
 
SteamKing said:
The volume of the concrete is 2 m * 0.3 m * 0.4 m = 0.24 m3.

oh ok so does that make the volume 1000?
 
jaja binks said:
oh ok so does that make the volume 1000?

I meant 0.24 sorry
 
jaja binks said:
oh ok so does that make the volume 1000?
1000 what? Always use units.

What I wrote was very plain: the volume of the concrete ... = 0.24 m3. No more. No less.
 
sorry yes i did not realize you had worked it out . Thanks.

So would this now make the total mass 1000kg?

Therefore (1000 x 9.81) + 10 KN = overall 19.8 KN ?
 
Where did the 1000 kg come from?

Chet
 
Math aside for the moment, the so called reaction force at the base has nothing to do with Newtons 3rd law. Rather, it is a consequence of his first law, from equilibrium considerations. This is a very important distinction.
 
jaja binks said:
sorry yes i did not realize you had worked it out . Thanks.

So would this now make the total mass 1000kg?

Therefore (1000 x 9.81) + 10 KN = overall 19.8 KN ?
You seem to be confused by the meaning of density.

Since concrete has a density of 2400 kg/m3, this means that a 1 m3 block of concrete has a mass of 2400 kg.

If you want to calculate the mass of concrete contained in a solid rectangular block, you must calculate the volume of the block, which is what I showed in Post #2.

The formula for density ρ is ρ = M / V, where M is the mass and V is the volume.

For concrete, ρ = 2400 kg/m3 and I showed you how to calculate V. Solve for M. :wink:
 
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