Thread Killer Champions: Franzbear & Moonbear

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The discussion revolves around the humorous concept of "thread killers" on a forum, where participants analyze who tends to end conversations with their posts. The top offenders identified include franznietzsche, Moonbear, and tribdog, with a playful tone suggesting a competition for the title of "thread killer." Participants debate the validity of counting last posts as a measure of thread-killing ability, arguing that it should be adjusted based on the total number of posts each user has made. The conversation shifts into a light-hearted narrative, likening thread-killing to a horror movie scenario, with participants playfully accusing each other of sabotaging discussions and attempting to "steal" the thread. The banter includes references to fictional scenarios involving dramatic rescues and humorous characterizations, maintaining a light and comedic atmosphere throughout.
  • #951
mattmns said:
I think MB has had it long enough.

No I haven't! I'm greedy, I want it forever, mine, all mine, only mine! :devil:
 
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  • #952
Moonbear said:
Then you must be just splitting your sides laughing over Bart's comic links! :smile:

As the matter of fact,they mke me cry.

Daniel.
 
  • #953
dextercioby said:
As the matter of fact,they mke me cry.

Daniel.

They have that effect on many of us. :-p
 
  • #954
Daniel cries at everything.
 
  • #955
Moonbear, you see the "humor in dadaism"? That's amazing... dadaism is a school of art that grew out of WWI and is concerned with meaninglessness.
 
  • #956
Bartholomew said:
Moonbear, you see the "humor in dadaism"? That's amazing... dadaism is a school of art that grew out of WWI and is concerned with meaninglessness.
Which they did through sarcasm and witty use of incongruity.
 
  • #957
Bartholomew said:
Moonbear, you see the "humor in dadaism"? That's amazing... dadaism is a school of art that grew out of WWI and is concerned with meaninglessness.

It was the artists essentially thumbing their noses at the art critics by purposely creating what they considered junk and laughing at the art critics and afficionados who were paying large amounts of money to buy "junk." It was never meant to be art. It's a great practical joke! :smile:
 
  • #958
No, which they did through random art containing no intended meaning. Personally I like the idea, though all I've ever known about it was a blurb in a textbook 5 years ago and a Wikipedia article just now.
 
  • #959
It's not a joke at all, it's a very serious endeavor. Dadaists believed that life is random and meaningless and tried to create "anti-art"--junk, but no more meaningless than anything else.
 
  • #960
Bartholomew said:
No, which they did through random art containing no intended meaning. Personally I like the idea, though all I've ever known about it was a blurb in a textbook 5 years ago and a Wikipedia article just now.
Do some more reading; she's right.
 
  • #962
Bartholomew said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaism

Dadaism is based in nihilism and cynicism.
Although they didn't really consider it a movement, they created some manefestos. This is from the first manefesto:

1. Dada is international in perspective and seeks to bridge differences, 2. Dada is antagonistic toward established society in the modern avant-garde, Bohemian tradition of the épater-le-bourgeios posture, and 3. Dada is a new tendency in art that seeks to change conventional attitudes and practices in aesthetics, society, and morality."
http://www-camil.music.uiuc.edu/Projects/EAM/Dadaism.html

Have you seen any of their "works." Such as the found object installation turning a urinal upsidedown. It didn't look like a urinal so just calling it art was sarcastic and incongruous. Look at some of the works.
 
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  • #963
Dada began as an anti-art movement, in the sense that it rejected the way art was appreciated and defined in contemporary art scenes. Founded in Zurich, Switzerland, the movement was a response to World War I. It had no unifying aesthetic characteristics but what brought together the Dadaists was that they shared a nihilistic attitude towards the traditional expectations of artists and writers. The word Dada literally means both "hobby horse" and "father", but was chosen at random more for the naive sound. What After finding its origins in Zurich, the Dada movement spread the Berlin, Cologne, Hanover, Paris, some parts of Russia, and New York city.
http://wwar.com/masters/movements/dadaism.html

The artists were generally fed-up with critics finding meaning in their work that wasn't there, so started to create junk. The entire point was to prove that people will find meaning even in something without meaning. And sure enough, people found meaning in it. The works they created had no intentional meaning. They slapped random things togethether with no thought, intended it to be ephemeral and to just prove a point to the critics, which clearly has been proven as it has not been ephemeral. That it is listed in art history texts as a style of art with some deep meaning is what makes it so funny.
 
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  • #964
Here's an even better site with a more thorough explanation of the Dada movement.
http://www.localcolorart.com/encyclopedia/Dadaism/

An anti-art movement?

According to its proponents, Dada was not art; it was anti-art. For everything that art stood for, Dada was to represent the opposite. Where art was concerned with aesthetics, Dada ignored them. If art is to have at least an implicit or latent message, Dada strives to have no meaning--interpretation of Dada is dependent entirely on the viewer. If art is to appeal to sensibilities, Dada offends. Perhaps it is then ironic that Dada is an influential movement in Modern art. Dada became a commentary on art and the world, thus becoming art itself.

Essentially, yes, the artists had a message, but the works they were displaying did not have any meaning. Taking those works and now displaying them as art is pretty much the equivalent of going out and collecting picket signs made by protestors and framing them as art. They are intended to send a message, but the sign itself is not meant as a work of art with any inherent value or meaning. If you want to read meaning into it, you can, but you fall into the very trap the Dada movement was protesting. Some things are not meant to have deeper meaning. The artists had a sense of humor in the way they protested and I enjoy that humor.
 
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  • #965
My comments are based on my own viewing of Dadaist works. Such things as the objects they chose, the titles they gave them, their own comments on their work. For instance, Marcel Duchamp sent his Large Glass installation called "The Bride Stripped Bare by her Suiters" to a show. It was cracked in transit. He said something to the effect of, "It is now complete." (I can't find the exact reference, and I'm too lazy to keep looking), seems like more of a sarcastic distain for order then a desire for nothingness. The piece includes some elaborate painting within the glass panels. Again, incongruity, especially in light of his reaction to the crack.
 
  • #966
Oh, I remember learning about that in art history. It's one of the reasons I loved learning about Dadaism so much, especially after spending so much time finding all the symbolism in iconic Rennaissance paintings, and wondering if the artists really put all those symbols there on purpose or if we were just reading too deeply into it, it was so refreshing to hear even the artists themselves got tired of it. :smile:
 
  • #967
Holy Moly!Is this thread hijacked,again...?Art??Dadaism??This thread? :!)

Daniel.
 
  • #968
Aww, we're just giving the thread a little culture. Admit it Dex, the thread is getting all grown up and needs to become more worldly. :biggrin:
 
  • #969
dextercioby said:
Holy Moly!Is this thread hijacked,again...?Art??Dadaism??This thread? :!)

Daniel.
Dex doesn't like our Dada discussion.

So anyway, I think that while the Dadaists were attempting to remove conscious thoughts of art in the creation of their art, they still seemed to use very deliberate choices to emphasise their dislike of contemporary art society.
:-p
 
  • #970
Artman said:
Dex doesn't like our Dada discussion.

So anyway, I think that while the Dadaists were attempting to remove conscious thoughts of art in the creation of their art, they still seemed to use very deliberate choices to emphasise their dislike of contemporary art society.
:-p

Yep, you can't deny the symbolism of a urinal! :smile:
 
  • #972
dextercioby said:
Yuck,what...?

Daniel.

One of Marcel Duchamp's works, titled "Fountain."

It's actually a discussion on humor, not art, even if you can't tell that. :biggrin:
 
  • #973
Okay, so back to the thread... Not only have I become a PF addict, but also I think I may be a dreaded "thread killer" --that's right—not just a “thread hijacker,” but an outright killer! How can I be sure? Acknowledgement is the first step in the 12-step program I hope...
 
  • #974
Moonbear, if the history books, encyclopedia articles, etc. generally say that dadaism springs from universal disillusionment and nihilism as products of WWI, don't you think that might give you a hint?

I think that what the Dadaists did just seems so strange to you that you can't accept that they weren't kidding.

Nihilism means no final values at all. Dadaist art, according to the nihilist Dadaists, is no more or less junk than anything else at all. They would not come to your conclusion that "haha, the million-dollar art is worthless, what a joke!" because to them everything is worthless.
 
  • #975
SOS2008 said:
Okay, so back to the thread... Not only have I become a PF addict, but also I think I may be a dreaded "thread killer" --that's right—not just a “thread hijacker,” but an outright killer! How can I be sure? Acknowledgement is the first step in the 12-step program I hope...

I've noticed, you seem to be a promising up-and-coming thread killer! :biggrin: Welcome to the club. But, you can't possibly think we're going to let you come in here long after the 2000th post and kill this thread, do you? :devil:
 
  • #976
Bartholomew said:
Moonbear, if the history books, encyclopedia articles, etc. generally say that dadaism springs from universal disillusionment and nihilism as products of WWI, don't you think that might give you a hint?

I think that what the Dadaists did just seems so strange to you that you can't accept that they weren't kidding.

Nihilism means no final values at all. Dadaist art, according to the nihilist Dadaists, is no more or less junk than anything else at all. They would not come to your conclusion that "haha, the million-dollar art is worthless, what a joke!" because to them everything is worthless.

Bart, I took an art history class. That's where I learned what I learned, not from a paragraph or two on websites. The Dadaists themselves have stated this. If you dig beyond the websites that all have essentially the same canned text, you'll find that what I'm saying is based on the Dadaists own statements.
 
  • #977
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A156494
Dada quickly spread to Paris, Berlin, and even across the Atlantic to New York City. Dada ranted and railed against conventionally accepted aspects of society, challenging the status quo and questioning authority.

Nothing was sacred! Everything was mere fodder for Dadaist questioning and ridicule. Common objects, normally taken for granted, were often praised as artistic triumphs and practically worshipped, before being ripped to shreds and stomped on before a live audience of confused and bewildered people. Artists such as Man Ray, Max Ernst, Marcel Duchamp, and Hans Arp were just a few of those who moulded and shaped Dada into something quite perversely erotic.

Dada can be seen as a series of socio- patrio- psychologic- anarcho- materialistic experimental... things. Sometimes Dada artists would do something not to create art, but to instigate art in the audience. A bonfire of all the art created that night might be an example. Artists, after allegedly slaving over grandiose works of art and presenting them to the audience, would start a large fire and throw their works of art into the fire, just to see what the audience would do, if anything. Spontaneity and improvisation were the order of the day. Dada artists would break barriers by acting first and thinking later, taking their audience hostage or threatening to mow them down with farming equipment, for example.

Dadaism actually seems like a great theme to go along with this thread! :smile:
 
  • #978
You may have taken an art history class, but it's clear from talking to you that you are not experienced in interpreting art. Case in point, the issue with that Dinosaur Comics comic. Other case in point, your own admission that you do not enjoy art in general.

You start coming up with quotes from these people and you may begin to make a case; however, bear in mind that if you do so successfully, you're still only picking and choosing which quotes to use. For every quote about dadaism as humor, I'd guess there are 10 quotes about dadaism as nihilism, and probably 100 quotes about dadaism as nihilism if you account for the fact that the quotes about humor would sound more "interesting" and be more likely to be recorded.
 
  • #979
So how many quotes would convince me? You provide 5 quotes from 3 different major Dadaists that indicate Dadaism is meant as a joke on critics, and I'll agree with you that tricking critics is a legitimate part of Dadaism. That sounds fair to me.
 
  • #980
Bartholomew said:
You may have taken an art history class, but it's clear from talking to you that you are not experienced in interpreting art. Case in point, the issue with that Dinosaur Comics comic. Other case in point, your own admission that you do not enjoy art in general.

I never said I don't enjoy art in general. I said I don't enjoy poetry in general. I don't claim to be greatly experienced in interpreting art. There is no interpretation required in describing the purpose behind a movement.

You start coming up with quotes from these people and you may begin to make a case; however, bear in mind that if you do so successfully, you're still only picking and choosing which quotes to use. For every quote about dadaism as humor, I'd guess there are 10 quotes about dadaism as nihilism, and probably 100 quotes about dadaism as nihilism if you account for the fact that the quotes about humor would sound more "interesting" and be more likely to be recorded.

Go look up your own quotes if you want more. All the links I've provided support my statements, you're misinterpreting the nihilism statements. They were anti-art movements. I'm just in the business of thread-killing here.
 
  • #981
Anti-art, sure, and the Wikipedia article said that too. But a "joke on critics"? Give it up.
 
  • #983
Table turned? By that site's own admission, its writing is "not PhD level" and it is not scholarly work.
 
  • #984
Stiil talking trash,huh...?In MY THREAD...:mad: Shut up.People are trying to slip here.

Daniel.
 
  • #985
Slipping into a pool of hot gluey magma?
 
  • #986
http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=387
 
  • #987
http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=393 This one is an actual joke, but it might take you a moment to get it.
 
  • #988
Bartholomew said:
Table turned? By that site's own admission, its writing is "not PhD level" and it is not scholarly work.

Geez, Bart, it's no fun if you never realize what's going on. :-p

I haven't linked to this one yet. :smile:
http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jenglish/English104/tzara.html
 
  • #989
dextercioby said:
Stiil talking trash,huh...?In MY THREAD...:mad: Shut up.People are trying to slip here.

Daniel.

Yup, talking lots of trash! :smile: :devil: But it's no fun being evil if nobody recognizes it for what it is. :cry:
 
  • #990
I understand that the site is an attempt at Dadaism. However, unlike the Dadaists, the site was not created in the wake of WWI, and the owners of the site are not nihilists, they are just people who are trying to be funny. If that's the best you have... keep trying, or quit.
 
  • #991
As for the Manifesto, although it is written oddly, you'll find that the things it is actually saying are pretty grave.
 
  • #992
Bartholomew said:
I understand that the site is an attempt at Dadaism. However, unlike the Dadaists, the site was not created in the wake of WWI, and the owners of the site are not nihilists, they are just people who are trying to be funny. If that's the best you have... keep trying, or quit.

That IS the style of Dada. Did you read through most of the site. It's actually pretty good.

http://quotes.prolix.nu/Art/

:smile: :smile: :smile:

(Dex, tell me at least you understand what's going on here...:smile:)
 
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  • #993
Well, the site is utterly worthless. But the Manifesto is not, and after reading much of it I must admit that Dadaism--at least as envisioned by that author--is more whimsical than I had supposed. There is, however, no "joke on critics" who view Dadaism as great art--the intended joke is on those who view other art as great art.
 
  • #994
"Kunst ist schei*se" Dadaist motto :smile:

I guess that sums it up.
 
  • #995
But nonetheless, a joke.

http://www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/newsInfo/newsID/2255
Jokes and novelties Hoax? Mystification? Conceptualism crisis? The last exhibition of the New York Swiss Institute and its radical curatorial concept which is to show only minimally sized or unimportant artworks in the large space of the location is pretty disconcerting and questioning. The institute which has recently been acclaimed as one of the most innovative and creative platforms in terms of contemporary art exhibitions in New York will probably live up its reputation thanks to the care of John Armleder who was named curator of this Christmas exhibition. The Geneva troublemaker has urged about forty international artists, among them the Americans John Tremblay and Richard Artschwager, the French Xavier Veilhan, the Italian Maurizio Cattelan, the Swiss Sylvie Fleury and Olivier Mosset to cover in a very discreet way the emptiness of the Swiss Cultural Center halls of Broadway until January the 15th. Definitely Dada, the project can be seen as a joke, a slap in the face of the artworld, but also as a homage and a reflection on the curatorial handling and conceptual art. Armleder puts forward an immaterial vision of art and called unreasonably well-known artists to show works that can only be imagined by the audience. This exhibition is not the product of a spoilt child though. With subtlety, Armleder turn away the meaning of the dadaist sentence: "Everything is Art" to tell us that the nothing, or the almost nothing in this case, is still art. The Geneva artist and curator is pursuing with scholarship and a deep consciousness of the art history his exploration of the notions of sense and nonsense. This exhibition, while banishing the concrete and tangible artworks, is appealing for a sixth sense which might be called imagination...

Maybe someday I'll explain the biggest joke of all this. :smile:
 
  • #996
Evo said:
"Kunst ist schei*se" Dadaist motto :smile:

I guess that sums it up.

Well, since you posted it, I guess it's okay. That's why I only provided the link to the whole page...the determined could find it and translate for themselves. :smile:
 
  • #997
Yes, jokes, but not the one you imagined.

You're still really stung about not figuring out the comic, huh?
 
  • #998
Bartholomew said:
Yes, jokes, but not the one you imagined.

You're still really stung about not figuring out the comic, huh?

Not the joke you think it is either. :smile: Nope, not stung about the comic at all. :biggrin:

http://members1.chello.nl/~m.woestenburg/dada/articles/lifestyle11.html
 
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  • #999
That's why you're using my words about the comic to talk about dadaism?
 
  • #1,000
Isn't that the joke? ;)
 
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