Three dimensional collision with bowling ball and pin.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a collision between a bowling ball and a pin, specifically focusing on the dynamics of the collision, including the conservation of momentum and energy. The original poster presents a scenario where the bowling ball strikes the pin at a specific angle and speed, prompting calculations related to the speeds and angles post-collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest writing down the conservation of momentum equations as a starting point. Some express uncertainty about how to manipulate the equations and whether to plug in values early in the process. Others mention using the p=mv equation in both dimensions and discuss the challenges of algebraic manipulation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some have offered guidance on starting points, while others are questioning the validity of certain assumptions and the applicability of formulas. There is no explicit consensus on the method to proceed, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks information regarding the vertical dimension, leading to the interpretation of the scenario as a two-dimensional problem. Additionally, there are reminders about the forum's requirement for participants to show their work in order to facilitate constructive feedback.

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Homework Statement


In order to convert a tough split in bowling, it is necessary to strike the pin a glancing blow as shown in the figure. Assume that the bowling ball, initially traveling at 15.0 m/s, has eight times the mass of a pin and that the pin goes off at 75° from the original direction of the ball.

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(a) Calculate the speed of the pin.
(b) Calculate the speed of the ball just after collision.
(c) Calculate the angle θ through which the ball was deflected. Assume the collision is elastic and ignore any spin of the ball.

Homework Equations


MbVb+MpVp=MbVB+MpVP (Mb=mass of ball, Mp=mass of pin, Vp=initial velocity for pin, VP=final velocity for pin, Vb=initial velocity for ball, VB=final velocity for ball.)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to even attempt this problem.
 
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Try writing down your Conservation of Momentum equations
 
Should I write down the formula first? Should I plug in the numbers and continue trying to cancel out unknown variables? The conservation of energy and momentum equations are realllllly long -_-
 
I would like too bump this-I have the same question!
I tried so far using the p=mv equation in both dimensions (since in the x direction it equals zero!), however I can't seem to solve for what they're asking…my algebraic manipulations aren't as well.
 
This is in the homework section and the forum requires you to show your working/attempt. How else can we see where you are going wrong ;-)

unrulypanda said:
Should I write down the formula first? Should I plug in the numbers and continue trying to cancel out unknown variables? The conservation of energy and momentum equations are realllllly long -_-

It's not usually a good ide to plug in the numbers early on.
 
unrulypanda said:
the bowling ball, initially traveling at 15.0 m/s, has eight times the mass of a pin and that the pin goes off at 75° from the original direction of the ball.
Hi, I do not know if the formula for balls is valid for pins, if it is ...then
you know cos λp (75°) = 0.2588 and the ratio Rm of Mb to total mass 8/9
you get quickly vp = v0* cos λ* 2R (15*0.25*16/9) = 6.9 m/s
the you can easily find all missing data (with the E and p formulas.)
 
The problem statement contains no information on the vertical dimension so this is really a 2D problem.
 

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