TIme Dilation & Quantum Entanglement Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of time dilation and quantum entanglement, particularly in the context of a hypothetical scenario involving two brothers, Harry and Joe, where one travels at relativistic speeds while the other remains on Earth. Participants explore the implications of their communication capabilities and the effects of time dilation on their observations of each other's clocks.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Harry and Joe could hold a real-time conversation using a device based on quantum entanglement, suggesting that such communication is not possible due to the limitations of quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant references Eberhard's theorem to support the claim that quantum entanglement cannot be used for faster-than-light (FTL) communication, emphasizing that correlations observed in entangled particles do not allow for information transfer.
  • A different perspective suggests that while quantum entanglement cannot facilitate instantaneous communication, if Harry and Joe were separated by a distance of one light hour, they could still communicate with a significant delay, allowing them to observe each other's aging through recorded video.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that quantum entanglement cannot be used for instantaneous communication, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of time dilation and the nature of communication between the brothers.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the scenario with various assumptions about the nature of communication and the effects of relativistic travel, but do not resolve the complexities surrounding the interaction of quantum mechanics and relativity.

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Yesterday, my 12 year old nephew asked me a physics question after we watched
a documentary about Einstein and relativity on the science channel. I know just enough
about physics to be dangerous, and I can usually answer his questions but this time he had me stumped, and I couldn't find anything on the net. Here goes.

Twin brothers Harry and Joe bid each other farewell. Joe gets on a spaceship and takes
off on a long voyage at a significant fraction of the speed of light. Harry and Joe also
built an audio/video communications device that utilizes quantum entanglement
and "spooky action at a distance" to allow instantaneous 2 way communication at any distance with no delay. Would they be able to hold a real time conversation with one another. Additionally, if each had a web cams setup and pointed at a clock with a second hand, would the brother on Earth see the second hand moving slower than his own?
Any help or feedback would be appreciated..
 
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You can't use quantum entanglement for instantaneous communication even one-way, never mind two-way.
 
alphauser51 said:
Harry and Joe also
built an audio/video communications device that utilizes quantum entanglement
and "spooky action at a distance" to allow instantaneous 2 way communication at any distance with no delay.
As it turns out, it can be proven that according to QM it is impossible to use quantum entanglement for transmitting information FTL, the proof is known as Eberhard's theorem. I posted some other papers discussing Eberhard's theorem in post #22 of this thread. The inference of "spooky action at a distance" has to do with correlations that are seen when you compare measurements on a group of entangled pairs, but if you look at data from a series of particles which each constituted one half of an entangled pair, without seeing the data from measurement of their "twins", it will just look random regardless of what was done to the "twins" far away.
 
alphauser51 said:
Yesterday, my 12 year old nephew asked me a physics question after we watched
a documentary about Einstein and relativity on the science channel. I know just enough
about physics to be dangerous, and I can usually answer his questions but this time he had me stumped, and I couldn't find anything on the net. Here goes.

Twin brothers Harry and Joe bid each other farewell. Joe gets on a spaceship and takes
off on a long voyage at a significant fraction of the speed of light. Harry and Joe also
built an audio/video communications device that utilizes quantum entanglement
and "spooky action at a distance" to allow instantaneous 2 way communication at any distance with no delay. Would they be able to hold a real time conversation with one another. Additionally, if each had a web cams setup and pointed at a clock with a second hand, would the brother on Earth see the second hand moving slower than his own?
Any help or feedback would be appreciated..


they cannot use quantum entanglement, however let's say they are separated by 1 light hour.

thus they can wait an hour to get the other person's signal/video...the video would play...with a lag of 1 hour...

thus they could see the other aging faster/slower...via a video that plays with a lag of 1 hour...
 

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