Time Dilation: Traveling to a Distant Star in 4.5yr

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation in the context of a spaceship traveling at relativistic speeds (0.999c) to a star 100 light-years away. Participants explore the differences in time experienced by observers on Earth versus those on the spaceship, addressing the implications of special relativity on time measurement and reference frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that for a spaceship traveling at 0.999c, the time to reach a star 100 light-years away would be approximately 100 years from Earth's perspective, while it would be 4.5 years on the spaceship due to time dilation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the question of why Earth time is considered arises from the perspective of being on Earth, noting that the times are specific to different reference frames.
  • A further contribution clarifies that discussions about distances, speeds, and time typically reference Earth's frame unless otherwise specified, reflecting a common perspective among people.
  • One participant reiterates the time dilation calculation and introduces the concept of length contraction, stating that the distance from Earth to the star in the spaceship's frame is also affected, resulting in a contracted distance of 4.5 light-years.
  • Another participant explains that the time counted by a clock at rest on Earth is what is used for the journey's duration, highlighting the complexity of how arrival times are perceived due to light travel time from the spaceship to Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of time dilation and the differences in time experienced by observers in different frames. However, there are nuances in how these concepts are interpreted and articulated, indicating that some aspects of the discussion remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about acceleration and deceleration, as well as the dependence on the definitions of time and distance in different reference frames. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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If there is a spaceship traveling at 0.999c, the time to reach a star 100 lyr away would be approx 100 yr (assuming no accel and decel). But on the spaceship, It would be 100 yr * sqrt(1-0.999^2) = 4.5yr.

Why do we take 100 yr as the time seen on Earth and not the time on the spaceship?
 
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Because presumably we are on Earth? Your question is not clear. The times are specific and different.
 
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Because most people's perspective is primarily rooted on Earth, so when we talk about distances, speeds, and time we usually only specifically state the reference frame when it is different from Earth's.
 
versine said:
If there is a spaceship traveling at 0.999c, the time to reach a star 100 lyr away would be approx 100 yr (assuming no accel and decel). But on the spaceship, It would be 100 yr * sqrt(1-0.999^2) = 4.5yr.

Why do we take 100 yr as the time seen on Earth and not the time on the spaceship?
Because the (length contracted) distance from Earth to the star in the frame of the spaceship is only
##100 lyr * \sqrt{1-0.999^2} = 4.5 lyr##.
 
versine said:
Why do we take 100 yr as the time seen on Earth and not the time on the spaceship?
Because that’s how much time a clock at rest on Earth (strictly speaking, at rest relative to the spaceship before it started on the journey) would count between the departure event and the arrival event.
There is a subtlety here: someone back on Earth doesn’t see the spaceship arrive at the destination at time 100; they see the arrival event happen after their clock has counted off 200 years (the light took 100 years to reach their eyes). Only after they subtract the light travel time from 200 do they conclude that the spaceship arrived at the same time that their clock had counted off 100 years.
 
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