Time independent perturbation theory

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The discussion revolves around time independent perturbation theory in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the derivation of equations related to the eigenstates and eigenvalues of the Hamiltonian operator. Participants are examining the relationships between the perturbed and unperturbed states and the implications of these relationships in the context of the Schrödinger equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the Schrödinger equation in the context of perturbation theory, questioning the presence of superscripts in matrix elements and the implications of different eigenstates. There are discussions about the correct application of the equations and the relationships between various terms in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the notation and assumptions in the equations. Some participants express uncertainty about specific aspects of the derivation, while others suggest looking at the implications of the notation used in the equations.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the notation of eigenstates and whether superscripts indicating the unperturbed states should be included. Participants are also grappling with the implications of these notations on their understanding of the equations involved.

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The following text on the time independent perturbation theory is given in a textbook:

\hat{H} = \hat{H}_0 + \alpha \hat{H'}
We expand its eigenstates \mid n \rangle in the convenient basis of \mid n \rangle^{(0)}
\mid n \rangle = \sum_m c_{nm} \mid m \rangle^{(0)}
The Schrödinger equation in these notations becomes
\left\{ E_n(\alpha) - E_m^{(0)} \right\}c_{nm} = \alpha \sum_p c_{np} M_{mp}
With
M_{nm} = \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid m \rangleI don't understand how the second last equation is derived and I don't know how the Schrödinger equation is used

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The only thing I can think of is to use the first equation and let both sides be sandwiched between an eigenstate \mid n \rangle of the operator \hat{H}

\langle n \mid \hat{H} \mid n \rangle = \langle n \mid \hat{H_0} \mid n \rangle + \alpha \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid n \rangle

\langle n \mid E_n(\alpha) \mid n \rangle = \sum_m c_{nm}^* \langle m \mid^{(0)} \hat{H_0} \mid \sum_k c_{nk} \mid k \rangle^{(0)} + \alpha \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid \sum_p c_{np} \mid p \rangle^{(0)}

E_n(\alpha) = \sum_m c_{nm}^*c_{nm} E_m^{(0)} + \alpha \sum_p c_{np} \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid p \rangle^{(0)}

E_n(\alpha) - \sum_m |c_{nm}|^2 E_m^{(0)} = \alpha \sum_p c_{np} M_{np}

And here I am stuck:
- E_n(\alpha) doesn't have a factor c_{nm}
- E_m^{(0)} is still a summation and has a factor of |c_{nm}|^2 instead of c_{nm}
- I have M_{np} instead of M_{mp}
- The p's are eigenstates of H_0 and not of H
 
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barefeet said:
The Schrödinger equation in these notations becomes
\left\{ E_n(\alpha) - E_m^{(0)} \right\}c_{nm} = \alpha \sum_p c_{np} M_{mp}
With
M_{nm} = \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid m \rangle

In the last expression for ##M_{nm}##, should there be superscripts (0) on the n and m states?
 
I am assuming that as well, it is not specifically stated in the textbook.
In my derivation it is, but my equation isn't the same anyway, so that doesn't help much
But only on the ket vector not the bra vector
 
barefeet said:
The only thing I can think of is to use the first equation and let both sides be sandwiched between an eigenstate \mid n \rangle of the operator \hat{H}

\langle n \mid \hat{H} \mid n \rangle = \langle n \mid \hat{H_0} \mid n \rangle + \alpha \langle n \mid \hat{H'} \mid n \rangle

Try looking at ^{(0)} \! \langle m\mid \hat{H} \mid n \rangle where the m state is an eigenstate of H(0) and the n state is an eigenstate of H.
 
Yes I got it, but only if there are superscripts for the matrix elements. I tried this before but the absence of superscripts threw me off. I guess they must be eigenstates of the unperturbed state otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Thanks
 
OK. Sounds good.
 

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