Time taken for a planet to collide with the Sun

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The discussion revolves around the time it would take for a planet to collide with the Sun if it were suddenly stopped in its circular orbit. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational forces, orbital mechanics, and Kepler's laws.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of stopping a planet versus slowing it down, questioning how these actions affect orbital periods. There is mention of differential equations and Kepler's laws as potential methods for analysis.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on the problem. Some suggest exploring the effects of varying the planet's velocity, while others emphasize the complexity of the mathematical approaches needed to solve the problem.

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Participants indicate varying levels of physics knowledge, with references to undergraduate and secondary school studies. There is also mention of a question bank as the source of the problem.

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TL;DR Summary: if a planet was suddenly stopped in its orbit, suppose to be circular, find how much time will it take in falling onto the sun(in terms of time period)

I know that T=2pi (r^3/GM)^1/2 and a=GM/x^2
how to proceed further
 
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Your approach won't work because the ##x=c_1+c_2t+\frac 12at^2## approach you are trying only works if ##a## is constant. You would need to solve the differential equation you started with. Deciding whether you are using ##x## or ##R## for the planet's position will help with that, but it produces a fairly nasty answer.

Are you familiar with Kepler's laws?
 
What would happen to the period of the orbit if you abruptly slowed, rather than stopped, the planet? And if you did it again but slowed it more? What is the limit of that if you stop the planet?
 
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Ibix said:
What would happen to the period of the orbit if you abruptly slowed, rather than stopped, the planet? And if you did it again but slowed it more? What is the limit of that if you stop the planet?
i am not sure about this. i know that t^2 is directly proportionl to the cube of semi major axis
 
someone_2156 said:
i am not sure about this. i know that t^2 is directly proportionl to the cube of semi major axis
There are two ways to solve the problem. The first involves solving a differential equation - which is quite hard. The second is a neat trick using Kepler's laws. It's not easy, however, to figure out the trick if you haven't seen it before.

Where did you get this problem and what level of physics are you studying?
 
PeroK said:
There are two ways to solve the problem. The first involves solving a differential equation - which is quite hard. The second is a neat trick using Kepler's laws. It's not easy, however, to figure out the trick if you haven't seen it before.

Where did you get this problem and what level of physics are you studying?
undergraduate/ secondary school and I got this problem from a question bank. Can you explain the second method?
 
someone_2156 said:
undergraduate/ secondary school and I got this problem from a question bank. Can you explain the second method?
What happens if, instead of stopping the planet, you leave the planet with a small tangential velocity? Imagine the star and planet are point masses.
 
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PeroK said:
What happens if, instead of stopping the planet, you leave the planet with a small tangential velocity? Imagine the star and planet are point masses.
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
 
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someone_2156 said:
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
Try to do some calculations using Kepler's laws.
 
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someone_2156 said:
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
The key thing to think about is where the foci of the ellipse move to. In the circular case, both foci are at the center. Where are they in the extremal case as the circle flattens more and more?

Hint: there's probably a tutorial on the web on how to draw an ellipse with string and a pair of pins.
 

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