B Time Travel: Lorentz Invariance & Possibilities

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The discussion centers on whether Lorentz invariance rules out the possibility of time travel, particularly into the past. Participants explore the implications of substituting negative time in Lorentz transformations, noting that it does not affect the spacetime interval. However, there is skepticism about whether mathematical solutions can be applied to the real universe, especially regarding physical interpretations of time. The consensus is that there are no widely accepted theories supporting the feasibility of backward time travel. Ultimately, the thread concludes with a reminder that discussions on past time travel are typically prohibited.
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Is going back in time fundamentally ruled out by Lorentz invariance? Or not? Or is it something else?
 
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What exactly do you mean by "going back in time"?
 
Nugatory said:
What exactly do you mean by "going back in time"?
Either as a physical transportation, or literally turning back time.
 
John Fennie said:
Either as a physical transportation, or literally turning back time.

Try it. Substitute t → -t in any of the Lorentz transformation. Has anything changed?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Try it. Substitute t → -t in any of the Lorentz transformation. Has anything changed?

Zz.
Take t to be positive, the metric will then have all positive (or all negative) components, hence no time component.
But I am not sure what you are trying to have me see.
 
John Fennie said:
But I am not sure what you are trying to have me see.
The t term in the metric is squared. Negating its sign has what effect?
 
jbriggs444 said:
The t term in the metric is squared. Negating its sign has what effect?
It does not have any effect on the spacetime interval, which means that having negative t is allowed.
 
John Fennie said:
which means that having negative t is allowed.
Do you believe that all possible mathematical solutions apply to the real Universe?
You should, perhaps replace "means" with "could imply".
 
sophiecentaur said:
Do you believe that all possible mathematical solutions apply to the real Universe?
You should, perhaps replace "means" with "could imply".
I understand. How do you guys interpret time physically? Because even time reversal is allowed, how can one physically have say, a particle, go back in time? Is there any sort of theory on the physical applications for going backward? (Just like traveling in a spaceship is a physical application for going forward.)
 
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John Fennie said:
How do you guys interpret time physically?

That which a clock measures.

John Fennie said:
Because even time reversal is allowed, how can one physically have say, a particle, go back in time? Is there any sort of theory on the physical applications for going backward? (Just like traveling in a spaceship is a physical application for going forward.)

There are no accepted theories that unambiguously accept or suggest that time travel into the past is a real possibility.

Note that discussion of time travel into the past is generally not allowed here at PF.

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