Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the reduction of oximes to amines using titanium chloride and sodium borohydride, exploring alternative methods and addressing challenges related to reaction conditions and work-up procedures. The scope includes practical organic chemistry techniques and experimental considerations.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Experimental/applied
Main Points Raised
- One participant describes a challenging experience with the titanium chloride and sodium borohydride reduction, noting toxic gas and vigorous reactions.
- Another participant suggests lithium aluminum hydride (LiAlH4) and borane (BH3) as alternatives, mentioning that LiAlH4 is not milder but may be preferable to titanium chloride.
- There is a proposal to use zinc in acetic acid as a potentially better method for oxime reduction, with a later reply indicating interest in trying this method.
- One participant questions whether sodium borohydride alone could suffice for the reduction, suggesting cooling the solution to mitigate vigorous reactions.
- Concerns are raised about the possibility of obtaining N-hydroxyl amine from sodium borohydride reduction instead of the desired amine.
- A participant shares a specific work-up procedure from a paper but expresses difficulty achieving high yields, prompting requests for alternative work-up suggestions.
- Suggestions for improving work-up methods include using sodium hydroxide for neutralization and exploring different organic solvents for extraction.
- One participant confirms monitoring the reaction's progress through LC/MS and TLC, indicating that the reaction occurred but yields remain low.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express various opinions on the best methods for reducing oximes to amines, with no consensus on a single preferred approach. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented, and challenges related to yields and work-up procedures remain unresolved.
Contextual Notes
Participants note limitations in the work-up procedures and the potential impact of solvent choice on yield, but specific assumptions and conditions are not fully explored or resolved.
Who May Find This Useful
Organic chemists and researchers interested in reaction mechanisms, reduction techniques, and practical laboratory methods for synthesizing amines from oximes may find this discussion relevant.