Titanium Chloride: Reducing Oxime to Amine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reduction of oximes to amines using titanium chloride and sodium borohydride, exploring alternative methods and addressing challenges related to reaction conditions and work-up procedures. The scope includes practical organic chemistry techniques and experimental considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a challenging experience with the titanium chloride and sodium borohydride reduction, noting toxic gas and vigorous reactions.
  • Another participant suggests lithium aluminum hydride (LiAlH4) and borane (BH3) as alternatives, mentioning that LiAlH4 is not milder but may be preferable to titanium chloride.
  • There is a proposal to use zinc in acetic acid as a potentially better method for oxime reduction, with a later reply indicating interest in trying this method.
  • One participant questions whether sodium borohydride alone could suffice for the reduction, suggesting cooling the solution to mitigate vigorous reactions.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of obtaining N-hydroxyl amine from sodium borohydride reduction instead of the desired amine.
  • A participant shares a specific work-up procedure from a paper but expresses difficulty achieving high yields, prompting requests for alternative work-up suggestions.
  • Suggestions for improving work-up methods include using sodium hydroxide for neutralization and exploring different organic solvents for extraction.
  • One participant confirms monitoring the reaction's progress through LC/MS and TLC, indicating that the reaction occurred but yields remain low.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various opinions on the best methods for reducing oximes to amines, with no consensus on a single preferred approach. Multiple competing views and techniques are presented, and challenges related to yields and work-up procedures remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the work-up procedures and the potential impact of solvent choice on yield, but specific assumptions and conditions are not fully explored or resolved.

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Organic chemists and researchers interested in reaction mechanisms, reduction techniques, and practical laboratory methods for synthesizing amines from oximes may find this discussion relevant.

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Ahhh! Titanium Chloride!

So I was at work today and I was told I had to reduce an oxime using titanium chloride and sodium borohydride. Now let me tell you this reaction is NASTY. There was so much toxic gas, bubbles, foam, and heat given off (and this was on roughly a 100mg scale). Titanium chloride is pretty nasty stuff to work with, so do any of you expert o chemists have any milder ways to reduce an oxime to an amine?
 
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Uhh...LiAlH4? Not really "milder," but a lot better than using TiClx. You can also use BH3, I think, but it's probably going to be pretty slow. LAH reduction of an oxime is generally slower than that of a ketone. Also, I thought that those TiClx conditions used NaB(CN)H3. I imagine if you are working in industry that reagent is frowned upon though. It might temper the reactivity a bit though.

Better conditions would probably be Zn0/AcOH (this would be the one that I would try first). I think you can achieve this transformation with Pt/H2 as well, but heterogeneous Pd won't work because the catalyst is poisoned by the product amine. Pt catalysts don't get poisoned as readily.

Good luck!
 
Yeah, radicalic hydrogen is the best. Isn't sodium borohydride alone (in dilute alcoholic solution, for example) is sufficient in reduction? You might cool the solution to say, 0°C, to reduce its vigorous nature, and quench it with diluted HCl after slowly bringing the medium to room temperature. Maybe the titanium chloride/borohydride combination is responsible for the vigorous reaction, due to a possible synergistic effect. What do you think on this?
 
If anything, I think you would get the N-hydroxyl amine from a NaBH4 reduction.
 
Well I go back to work tomorrow. I think am going to try the zn AcOH method. That one sounds good. I will let you know how it turns out.
 
Ok I actually found a paper on Sci Finder that has a procedure for oxime reduction using Zn and acetic acid. The work up however is very tricky (the work up the paper suggests) and I always end up getting low yields. Do you have any suggestions for how to go about working up the reaction? The paper suggests doing the reaction by adding Zn to a suspension of oxime in acetic acid and stirring for 30 min. Work up is filtering through celite, evaporating off the solvent, neutralizing residue w/ concentrated ammonia, adding DCM, and washing with brine. The problem is that I alway seem to get a low yield. The paper claims to have gotten 90+ % yield on a reaction very similar to mine. So would there be any other work up methods I could try?
 
Maybe try neutralizing with 1N NaOH instead of ammonia. How many times did you extract the aqueous layer with DCM? You might try a different organic solvent too, I have had good luck with amines and ethyl acetate.

You might also try a direct extraction after you filter through celite. Add some DCM and then add 1N NaOH and extract the aqueous layer a few times. The NaOH ought to neutralize all the acetic acid and the acetate junk should stay in the aqueous layer. This should work provided you don't have loads and loads of AcOH. You might also want to add a little NaOH to your brine to minimize protonation of your amine.

Do you have any idea how soluble the amine is in water?

Are you sure the reduction step went to completion before you worked it up?
 
I extracted the DCM layer several times but still seem to get a low yield- ~10%. I know the reaction has occurred because I monitored it by LC/MS and TLC. I will try the work up you suggest. The reduced oxime seems to be relatively soluble in water. I will let you know how it turns out.


-Thanks again.
 
You extracted the DCM layer, or you extracted the aqueous layer with DCM?
 
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Sorry, extracted the aqueous layer.
 
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Hmmm...DCM is usually a good solvent for amines, but maybe you need to try some others, especially if your amine is significantly water soluble.
 

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