Tolerance for pneumatic cylinder and piston

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The discussion revolves around the tolerances required for a pneumatic cylinder and piston operating at low pressure (about 2 psi) and room temperature. Participants explore the relationship between tolerance, leakage, and friction, particularly in the context of designing an air spring.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the necessary tolerance for a piston in a pneumatic cylinder to minimize leakage while allowing free movement.
  • Another participant explains that a piston cannot seal against a cylinder without a gap, which inherently allows for some leakage, and emphasizes the importance of contact stress for sealing.
  • A participant questions whether closer tolerances would reduce leakage and seeks to understand the impact of gap size on friction, particularly in the context of creating an air spring that vibrates freely.
  • It is noted that thermal variations due to material properties must be considered, and that seals, such as O-rings, may be necessary depending on the speed and lubrication conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between tolerance, leakage, and friction, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to account for thermal variations and the potential requirement for seals, but do not provide specific calculations or definitive tolerances.

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What is the tolerance for pneumatic cylinder and piston operating about 2 psi, at room temperature, so that the piston can move freely without leakage? The piston diameter is 20 mm.
 
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Hi etherist, A piston won't seal against a cylinder simply by being close fitting. There will always be a gap between the piston and cylinder which allows some leakage. If there isn't, the piston will rub on the cylinder, create heat, wear, etc...

Seals function because the contact stress between the sealing faces is higher than the pressure differential, so without this contact stress, you won't form a seal. You can limit the leakage and that leakage can be calculated by modeling the gap between your piston and cylinder but it will leak nevertheless as long as there's a gap.
 
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Thanks Q_Guest, is it i need a very close tolerance so the i can lessen the leakage? but what is the of it in friction? Is the friction depends on the gap? I wanted to produce an air spring, which if i applied a blow it will vibrate freely.
 

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There will be thermal variations due to materials. You must allow for that.
Depending on speed and lubrication, it will need a seal such as an O-ring in a big groove, that will be pushed against the piston cylinder gap by pressure.
 
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