Can this version of pneumatic piston sustain a certain load on its own?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality of a pneumatic piston designed by a freshman design student. The focus is on whether the piston can maintain its position under certain conditions, specifically when both chambers of the piston are pressurized and connected. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical reasoning related to pneumatics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster questions if a pressurized pneumatic piston can sustain its position when both chambers are joined.
  • One participant suggests that if the pressures in the chambers are initially different and then equalized, the piston will move according to the Ideal Gas Law, prompting a question about the original poster's familiarity with this concept.
  • Another participant challenges the original poster to elaborate on their reasoning for believing the piston will sustain its position.
  • A further contribution compares the behavior of the piston to that of a spring, noting that the enclosed volume changes as the piston moves, and mentions a similarity to a regenerative hydraulic circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus. There are differing viewpoints on the mechanics of the pneumatic piston and its ability to maintain position under the described conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about pressure differences and the specific design of the piston that have not been fully explored or defined.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for design students, engineers interested in pneumatics, and individuals exploring concepts related to pressure systems and mechanical design.

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I designed a micro pneumatic piston that can stay in a position as long as no extra force is applied
Hey guys I am a freshman design student and I have been doing a project in which I am using a pneumatic piston that I designed, I don't have depth knowledge about pneumatics but I tried something. I am using simple concept for this if the cylinder is already pressurized and I am able to join both chambers, do piston is going to sustain its position?
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I need help in this I am sharing my design with this
 
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Polar24 said:
Summary:: I designed a micro pneumatic piston that can stay in a position as long as no extra force is applied

Hey guys I am a freshman design student and I have been doing a project in which I am using a pneumatic piston that I designed, I don't have depth knowledge about pneumatics but I tried something. I am using simple concept for this if the cylinder is already pressurized and I am able to join both chambers, do piston is going to sustain its position?View attachment 265290 I need help in this I am sharing my design with this
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

If ##P_1## and ##P_2## are initially different and you open the valve to equalize them, the piston should move according to the Ideal Gas Law. Are you familiar with that equation?
 
Why do you believe it will sustain its position? Could you lay out your thought process here?
 
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Polar24 said:
I am using simple concept for this if the cylinder is already pressurized and I am able to join both chambers, do piston is going to sustain its position?
The piston will appear to be like a spring.
As you move the piston the enclosed volume will change, because the area of the piston A1, is equal to the area of the annulus A2, plus the area of the rod.

You have rediscovered the pneumatic equivalent to half of a regenerative hydraulic circuit.
 

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