Topology question; derived pts and closure

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The problem involves proving that the derived set A' of a discrete subset A of the reals is a closed set. The original poster presents a proof based on the definitions of derived sets and closure in topology.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • The original poster attempts to use theorems related to closure and derived sets to establish that A' is closed. Some participants question the validity of the proof and the assumptions regarding derived points in discrete sets.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the definitions involved, particularly regarding derived points in discrete sets. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings, and some guidance is offered on how to approach the proof more rigorously.

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There is a discussion about the nature of discrete sets and derived points, with examples provided that challenge the assumption that discrete subsets have no derived points. This indicates a need for clarity on the definitions and properties of these sets.

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Homework Statement


If A is a discrete subset of the reals,

prove that

A'=cl_x A \backslash A

is a closed set.


Homework Equations


A' = the derived set of A
x is a derived pt of A if U \cap (A \backslash \{x\}) \neq \emptyset for every open U such that x is in U.

Thrm1. A is closed iff A=cl(A)
Thrm2. cl(emptyset)=emptyset


The Attempt at a Solution



"Proof". Using Thrm1 with A' we can see that A' is closed iff A'=cl(A'). Since A is a discrete subset of the Reals we know that the set consists of isolated pts. Since there are no derived pts in A, then A'= emptyset. Using Thrm2 we know that cl(emptyset)=emptyset. Therefore A'=cl(A'). And thus A' is closed.

Does this proof work?
 
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I think so. Is there any difference between cl_x(A) and cl(A)? A' is closed because it's empty.
 
Well, a classmate pointed out to me that the set B={1/n : n in Naturals}, has a derived point of {0}. I feel like this set is discrete, yet it's derived points are not the empty set.

I thought I had this one. Any ideas of where I have gone wrong? My guess would be assuming that discrete subsets have no derived points but then what direction do I take?
 
Whoa. You're right. You caught me. I thought the proof sounded a little vacuous. So you want to prove that if x is not in A', then there is a neighborhood of x that does not intersect A'. If x is in A, use that A is discrete. If x is not in A, then use that A is closed. Can you take it from there?
 

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