Torque required to tighten the cap for leak proof

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The discussion focuses on determining the torque required to tighten a polypropylene cap with an EPDM rubber seal to ensure leak-proof performance under a water pressure of approximately 600N. The user estimates a 40% compression of the seal, leading to torque calculations of around 20Nm using a compression force approach and 65Nm using a lead screw torque formula. The discrepancy between these values is attributed to friction, with considerations for frictional forces included in both calculations. The user seeks guidance on which torque calculation method to follow for optimal results. Ultimately, accurate torque estimation is essential for achieving effective sealing in the application.
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Hello Anyone,
Could you help me in finding the torque req. for a cap to leak proof?
My cap (polyproplene) which dia. was 32mm and its detail specs are,
thread major dia.- 28.5mm, min. dia. - 26mm, pitch - 3mm, thread angle-45deg
which has a EPDM rubber seal placed inside (outer dia 26.5mm & inner dia-18.5mm with thick 1.5mm)

I want to know.. what should be the torque required to tighten the cap, so that It will be leak proof? or in other way what is the % of seal compression req. for leak proof? to handle the water pressure of ~600N in a plastic container.
 
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Acchu said:
Hello Anyone,
Could you help me in finding the torque req. for a cap to leak proof?
My cap (polyproplene) which dia. was 32mm and its detail specs are,
thread major dia.- 28.5mm, min. dia. - 26mm, pitch - 3mm, thread angle-45deg
which has a EPDM rubber seal placed inside (outer dia 26.5mm & inner dia-18.5mm with thick 1.5mm)

I want to know.. what should be the torque required to tighten the cap, so that It will be leak proof? or in other way what is the % of seal compression req. for leak proof? to handle the water pressure of ~600N in a plastic container.

What approach should I consider? Shall I go with lead screw torque calc.? or any other
 
You should calculate how much you want to compress the interior rubber seal, this should give you an estimate of force, and from there you can estimate the torque needed to achieve the desired compression force on the seal.
 
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Mech_Engineer said:
You should calculate how much you want to compress the interior rubber seal, this should give you an estimate of force, and from there you can estimate the torque needed to achieve the desired compression force on the seal.
Thanks for your suggestion. As per the water pressure, I suppose to compress the seal by 40% based on this if I directly estimate the torque I'll get ~20Nm. If I use torque formula of lead screw concept, I'll get ~65Nm. So got confused. Guide me which way I need to go
 
The discrepancy in torque may have to do with friction, are you taking friction into account when calculating the required screw torque?
 
Mech_Engineer said:
The discrepancy in torque may have to do with friction, are you taking friction into account when calculating the required screw torque?
Yeah. I consider frictional force of thread engagement too while doing torque and got the result of ~20Nm. Hope in lead screw torque Calc. approach also friction parameter will be considered right?
 
Acchu said:
Yeah. I consider frictional force of thread engagement too while doing torque and got the result of ~20Nm. Hope in lead screw torque Calc. approach also friction parameter will be considered right?

What equations are you using for each calculation?
 
Mech_Engineer said:
What equations are you using for each calculation?
For thread engagement force :
Frictional force, Ff = m g (sin α + μ cos α)

For comp. of seal :
E = Stress / Strain
Stress = E*Strain
Force/Area = E*Strain
Force = E*Strain*Area

Resultant force = Frictional force + Comp. force

And the Compressive torque, Tc = K x Force x d (where k=Coeff. Friction of seal & d=PCD of seal)
Here I got 20Nm

2nd approach of lead screw torque formula:
Torque = F*Dm/2*(L+u*PI*DM)/(PI*Dm-u*L)
I got 60Nm.
 

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