Total movement of bacteria assuming a random distribution

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The discussion revolves around finding an expression for the total movement of bacteria modeled by a Gaussian distribution. The original poster describes a scenario where bacteria are centered on a ruler, and they are trying to connect the average expected displacement to a total displacement expression.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the average expected displacement to total displacement, questioning the implications of integrating over a limited range. Some participants suggest incorporating time as a parameter in the dispersion model, while others explore the interpretation of limited range integration and its effects on the bacteria's movement.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, including the role of time in the movement of bacteria and the implications of integrating over a limited range. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined, including the use of expected values and the nature of the Gaussian distribution.

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There are constraints regarding the equations that can be used, as the original poster notes that only the expected value equation is permitted. Additionally, the lack of explicit mention of time in the problem is causing some uncertainty in the interpretations being discussed.

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Homework Statement
Find an expression for the total movement ##s## of a bacteria knowing that its movement follow a normal distribution.
Relevant Equations
Expected value ##\bar{x} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x\cdot p(x)dx##
Gaussian function ##p(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \exp{-\frac{x^2}{2}}##
Hello,

I have to find an expression for the total movement of a bacteria ##s##, knowing that the bacteria is placed (centered) on a two side ruler at position ##x=0## (so a negative ##x## value means the bacteria has moved to the left of the ruler) and that the probability it moves to ##x## is given by the Gaussian function :
$$p(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \exp{-\frac{x^2}{2}}$$
I have to express the total displacement ##s## using the fact that ##\bar{x} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x\cdot p(x) dx## is the average expected displacement. Of course, since ##p(x)## is centered, ##\bar{x}## equals to zero, which makes sense both mathematically and physically, but now I have trouble finding a connection between this and a total displacement.

I thought about using ##s = \int_{-a}^{a}x\cdot p(x) dx## where ##a## would be the total displacement at point ##a##, but obviously, since ##x\cdot p(x)## is odd, any integral of this form will yield zero, so I thought about taking only one side with ##s = \int_{0}^{a}x\cdot p(x) dx##, yet I am not convinced.

Evaluating this new integral gives the following result :
$$s = \int_{0}^{a}x\cdot p(x) dx = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}} \big( 1 - \exp{-\frac{a^2}{2}} \big)$$
This means that the total displacement lies in the interval ##[0; \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}})##, but why would be the total displacement of ##s## anything other than ##s## itself? My technique would imply that if we want to look at the total displacement ##s## of a bacteria, we have to first look at "all the movements up to point ##a##".

Does this make any sense?

Thanks in advance.

Edit : Relevant equations formatting
 
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Don't you need time t as parameter for dispersion, e.g. 
P(x,t) =\frac{N}{2\sqrt{\pi}Dt}exp(-\frac{x^2}{4Dt})?

As for limited range integration, may I interpret it that we would omit active bacteria that go beyond this border ?
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Don't you need time t as parameter for dispersion, e.g. 
P(x,t) =\frac{N}{2\sqrt{\pi}Dt}exp(-\frac{x^2}{4Dt})?
In this exercise, time is not considered at all (not even mentionned!).

Out of curiosity, is your equation used to model dispersion? What are ##N## and ##D## ?
 
Thanks for your curiosity. N is source or number of participating bacteria. D is dispersion coefficient expressing activeness of bacteria.

As you said <x>=0. Possible candidates of your interest are
&lt;|x|&gt;=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}|x|P(x) dx= 2\int_0^{+\infty} x P(x)dx
&lt;x^2&gt;=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x^2 P(x)dx
\sqrt{&lt;x^2&gt;}=\sqrt {\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x^2 P(x)dx}
 
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Even if time is not explicitly mentioned in the problem, I would interpret it at meaning that the bacteria moves a distance X \sim N(0,\sigma^2) in one time unit, so that its total distance moved after n time units is the sum of n independent identically dstributed normal random variables.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
As for limited range integration, may I interpret it that we would omit active bacteria that go beyond this border ?
I have trouble finding meaning myself. I suppose this could be a valid interpretation, although I don't know what my instructor has in mind.

anuttarasammyak said:
Possible candidates of your interest are
Alas, we are not supposed to know about these equations (which are second order moment and RMS value if I am not mistaken), only the expected value equation has to be used.

pasmith said:
Even if time is not explicitly mentioned in the problem, I would interpret it at meaning that the bacteria moves a distance X \sim N(0,\sigma^2) in one time unit, so that its total distance moved after n time units is the sum of n independent identically dstributed normal random variables.
Would this translate to the equation I have written in my first post?
 

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