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Toto, Dorothy

  1. Jul 29, 2004 #1
    If Toto had never run behind the curtain, Dorothy might never have got home
    What does this mean?
     
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  3. Jul 29, 2004 #2

    enigma

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    It is referring to The Wizard of Oz.

    IIRC:

    Toto, Dorothy's dog, ran behind the green curtain to expose that the 'Wizard' was just a man. He then told her that she had to click her heels three times to go home from Oz. I don't remember why he wouldn't tell her to begin with...
     
  4. Jul 29, 2004 #3
    enigma, I think what Saint wants to know is what one is actually implying when one says "If Toto had never run behind the curtain, Dorothy might never have got home".

    I watched The Wizard of Oz a long time ago, when I was around 4 or 5 so I can't really remember it now.
     
  5. Jul 29, 2004 #4

    enigma

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    If you don't know who is pulling the strings, you won't get what you want.
     
  6. Jul 29, 2004 #5
    That movie gave me nightmares the first time I saw it! :mad:

    Anyways I can't stand the movie.
     
  7. Jul 29, 2004 #6

    BobG

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    That dogs are better pets than cats. It Toto were a cat, his curiosity would have killed him. :rofl:

    Hey, you have to read between the lines. It's not as absurd as some of the other 'hidden' meanings people find in the Wizard of Oz.
     
  8. Jul 29, 2004 #7

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    The Dorothy in Oz was dreaming Dorothy's ego. Toto represents the subconcious. The wizard was her superego. Dorothy's delusional state was a manifestation of her selfish desires, but her subconcious sought out the means to bring her to a mature, rational decision.

    Actually, I just made all that up, but it sounds pretty good!

    Njorl
     
  9. Jul 29, 2004 #8

    Monique

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    Dream on Njorl :rolleyes:
     
  10. Jul 29, 2004 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    Well, I would have thought that was all very funny but I just chimed in to make similar statements and now you have ruined everything!. :cry: :cry: :cry:
     
  11. Jul 29, 2004 #10

    Ivan Seeking

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    How about....
    Toto was her guardian angel.
    OZ was the promise of tomorrow
    The Wizard was the unknown
    Glenda "the good witch" was God
    The munchkins were angels
    The bad witch was the devil, of course

    Better?

    Dorthy was Moses? :biggrin:
     
  12. Jul 29, 2004 #11

    Njorl

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    Actually, my own heels are black and blue from all the clicking I've done. It just won't work!

    Njorl
     
  13. Jul 29, 2004 #12
    are you wearing the blue dress and the red shoes?
     
  14. Jul 29, 2004 #13
    I still don't understand
     
  15. Jul 29, 2004 #14

    Moonbear

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    One interpretation would be that to get what you want, sometimes you need to take a risk and do the unexpected.

    Or, you might also interpret it that sometimes it's the accidental discovery that leads to what you really need.

    Or, sometimes you have to break the rules to get anywhere (Toto wasn't supposed to go behind the curtain).

    I'm not sure exactly. Maybe it would help to know the context of how it was used.
     
  16. Jul 29, 2004 #15
    Dang, I thought you were totally serious for a moment. Good thinking, man!
     
  17. Jul 29, 2004 #16

    Gokul43201

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    Dang ! I thought it had something to do with geetting high on weed and listening to Dark Side...
     
  18. Jul 29, 2004 #17
    Listening to Dark Side? I thought you had to feel it.
     
  19. Jul 29, 2004 #18

    Gokul43201

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    Quite True.

    Surely, this can't be helping Saint ! :rolleyes:
     
  20. Jul 29, 2004 #19

    Moonbear

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    It also works when sober and on a really bad date (it's usually a bad sign when I don't know it's a date until I get there...years ago, a neighbor had just invited me over to watch some videos, and apparently had imbibed some liquid courage prior to my arrival...hence the selection of media for the evening entertainment...it was easier to go along with watching than to talk to the drunk guy).
     
  21. Jul 29, 2004 #20
    I wouldn't know about those. Nor would I know about good dates, either. :shy:
     
  22. Jul 29, 2004 #21

    Gokul43201

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    Don't worry, Chrono...now sing with me :

    Ti....i i ime is on my side, yes it is :smile:

    PS : What's the word "digression" mean ?
     
  23. Jul 29, 2004 #22
    I prefer, "I'm so pretty, oh, so pretty. Pretty, and witty, and gay!" :biggrin:
     
  24. Jul 30, 2004 #23

    BobG

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    A lot of times, when you ask for some kind of help or service, you get the standard bureaucratic reply, explaining why they can't help you, since their procedures only cover a few standard type problems (obviously, the most common problems, but little help to you if there's some unique twist in your particular problem).

    At some point, you can't just keep taking the answer "I can't help you, but maybe you could try Barry (then Charlie, then Dave, etc.)."

    Eventually, you're going to have to say "The hell with the standard procedure, I need someone to THINK and figure out how to deal with my problem, right now!"

    In the movie, the wizard was a fraud who really couldn't help with any but the very simplest problems ("If it's not in the manual, how can I possibly help you?"). Since the wizard couldn't really help, he required some impossible task from Dorothy before her request could be considered (she had to bring back documentation proving she had killed the Wicked Witch. Fortunately the documenatation didn't have to be in triplicate). When the documentation (the broom) was presented, the wizard had to create some other hurdle to hide the fact that he had nothing in his standard repretoire (standard bureaucratic procedures) to help Dorothy and her gang. Toto had to break the bureaucratic cycle by exposing the real decision maker behind the imposing bureaucratic front.

    In true cynical fashion, the wizard still didn't really provide much even after Dorothy and friends managed to cross the threshold to the real decision maker. He made a few of them feel better by validating things that were already true (but it always makes me feel good when a bureaucrat validates my parking ticket) and Dorothy wound up having to help herself.
     
  25. Jul 30, 2004 #24

    BobG

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    Chrono, no offense, but ..... wait! I take that back! I do mean offense!

    Are you totally ignorant?! Are you totally clueless as to who Pink Floyd is?!

    By the way, it's "Feel the force, Luke", not "Feel the Dark Side".

    Geesh, next thing you know, you're going start singing "Women do get wooly?" :rolleyes:
     
  26. Jul 30, 2004 #25
    Dude, that was Pink Floyd?! I had no idea.

    Didn't Darth Vader tell Luke to feel the Dark Side in the third movie?
     
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