Trajectory of an electron traveling near a current-carrying wire

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The discussion revolves around the trajectory of an electron traveling near a current-carrying wire, focusing on the forces acting on the electron and how these influence its motion. The subject area includes electromagnetism and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the electron and its trajectory, with attempts to derive a formula that expresses the trajectory in terms of distance from the wire rather than time. Questions arise regarding the assumptions about the constancy of vertical velocity and the dependency of x on time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the trajectory and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between velocity and distance, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or assumptions.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the forces acting on the electron, particularly the nature of the magnetic force and its impact on velocity. There is also mention of Newton's second law and the integration of acceleration to find velocity, indicating a focus on the mathematical modeling of the problem.

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Homework Statement
There's an infinite vertical wire which produces 5Amps. An electron is 0.2 meters apart with a velocity of 10^5 m/s in the same direction of the wire. The wire is creating a magnetic field which alters the trajectory of the electron. I need to know to the function which represents it.
Relevant Equations
Fm(magnetic force)=q(v x B) (charge times vectorial multiplication of velocity and magnetic field)
Without vectors it's just Fm=qvB
B(magnetic field)=nu/2pi * I/R (I=current intensity, R=distance)
nu/2pi=2*10^-7 (it's a constant)
B equals 50*10^-7 T (at first instance)
Fm equals 8*10^-20 N (at first instance)

I know Fm is perpendicular to the velocity, and I know the estimation of the trajectory (somewhat similar to the curve y=lnx).

Since I think vertical velocity will be constant, only changing the x component, I tried summing the Fm and the B formula, creating a bigger formula which I think represents the growth on the Y axis of the final desired formula dependent to R. That's what I want, not a formula that depends on time but a formula that depends of the distance to the wire (R).
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alesdiazdeo said:
That's what I want, not a formula that depends on time but a formula that depends of the distance to the wire (R).
What is the quantity your formula should compute?

I would describe the trajectory of the electron with an x and y coordinate, where:
x is the distance to the wire
y = the distance the electron has traveled since the start of the experiment. obviously (y = vt)

x will depend on t, an easy computation with Newton's second law (F = ma)
Using y = vt, you can also make x dependent on y.
 
There are no preferences, just calculation of the trajectory is my task.

Alright, so I inserted the B formula into the Fm formula and got Fm=1.6*10^-20/R.
Divided it by the mass of the electron and got the acceleration.
Did the integral of that and got v=1,76*10^10*ln|R|+C (which I assume is 0 since R=inf -> v=0)
I thought that was a good representation of the Y axis and the X axis could be represented by 10^5 (constant) but my friend tells me that v (on the X axis) also changes with time.

So I'm lost again.
 
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alesdiazdeo said:
Since I think vertical velocity will be constant
What makes you think that ?

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BvU said:
What makes you think that ?

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That the initial statement was that; but of course v is only constant in module, not as a vector, as it varies with F=qvB.
 

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