Transfer function of RC circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the transfer function of a Bandaxall tone stack circuit, focusing on the application of Kirchhoff's laws and the challenges faced in formulating the necessary equations for simulation purposes.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help in obtaining the transfer function for a Bandaxall tone stack circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that the transfer function will depend on the output impedance of the previous stage and the input impedance of the next stage, inquiring if those values are available.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in solving the circuit using Kirchhoff's laws, noting a discrepancy in the number of equations and unknowns, leading to uncertainty about the solvability of the system.
  • Equations based on Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) are presented, but the participant indicates reaching a dead end in their analysis.
  • Later, a participant clarifies that they do not need the transfer function but rather the Kirchhoff's equations in their original form, indicating a shift in their requirements for the simulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus on the transfer function or the solvability of the equations presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the necessary equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations such as the lack of known input and output impedances and the complexity of the circuit, which may affect the formulation of the transfer function.

Jofo
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Hello all,

I need transfer function of this circuit (it is Bandaxall tone stack). Here is the sheme:

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Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Jofo said:
Hello all,

I need transfer function of this circuit (it is Bandaxall tone stack). Here is the sheme:

ubnk2iv2.png



Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What is the context of your question? If it's for schoolwork, I can move the thread to the Homework Help section of the PF. In any case, you will need to show some effort on your question. How would you go about writing some equations to help you get to the transfer function? Would you use KVL or KCL?
 
Oh, and the transfer function will also depend on the Zout of the previous stage, and the Zin of the next stage. Do you have those?
 
Thank You for response,

I'm sorry, I probably put it in a bad section :(


I tried to solve it with my basic knowledge of Kirchoff's laws, but I'm not mathematician, I'm an IT student... my task on this project is to simulate this circuit using a C++ library, but to obtain a block scheme I need differential equatins from transfer function.

When I tried to solve it, I ran into 7 equations, of which 4 were current-related (6 unknown currents), and after discussion with my friend I came to conclusion, that I did either something wrong, or the set of those equations cannot be solved (from my point of view - 6 variables, 4 equations), that means I cannot figure out the currents.

The input and output impedances... well I don't have those. (consider it as an ideal circuit?)
 
Jofo said:
Thank You for response,

I'm sorry, I probably put it in a bad section :(


I tried to solve it with my basic knowledge of Kirchoff's laws, but I'm not mathematician, I'm an IT student... my task on this project is to simulate this circuit using a C++ library, but to obtain a block scheme I need differential equatins from transfer function.

When I tried to solve it, I ran into 7 equations, of which 4 were current-related (6 unknown currents), and after discussion with my friend I came to conclusion, that I did either something wrong, or the set of those equations cannot be solved (from my point of view - 6 variables, 4 equations), that means I cannot figure out the currents.

The input and output impedances... well I don't have those. (consider it as an ideal circuit?)

No worries, I moved the thread. I only see 5 nodes for writing the KCL equations. Could you please show us the equations you have so far?

And you are being required to solve for the transfer function of this circuit for an IT class?
 
First I substituded RA||C2 and RB||C3 for impedaces ZA=RA/(1+s*RA*C2) and ZB=RB/(1+s*RB*C3):

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Here I drew the nodes and the currents. And my equations:

KCL:
I1=I2+I3
I5=I2+I4
I3=I4+I6
I1=I5+I6

KVL:
VIN=R1*I2+ZA*I2+ZB*I5+R3*I5
0=-R1*I2-ZA*I2+(1/(s*C1))*I3+RX*I3+R2*I4
0=-R3*I5-ZB*I5-R2*I4+R4*I6+(1/(s*C4))*I6

And this is my dead end :(


I had to choose a circuit for simulation, but maybe this one is too complicated for me... I simply need a "not basic analog filter".
 
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After deeper studying of that C++ toolkit, I actually don't need transfer function, but only Kirchoffs equations (not in s-domain, but with all integrals and derivations).
 

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