Transformation between electric and magnetic fields

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The discussion revolves around the transformation between electric and magnetic fields, particularly in the context of a current-carrying wire and the effects observed when a charge is set in motion near it. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the origin of the electric field that appears when changing reference frames, questioning how a neutral current-carrying conductor can give rise to an electric field.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the source of the electric field that arises due to the motion of a charge in the vicinity of a current-carrying wire, questioning the implications of Gauss's law and the role of Lorentz transformations. Some participants provide links to external resources, while others engage in further questioning about the conditions under which the observed phenomena hold true.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between electric and magnetic fields and the implications of relativistic effects. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of non-relativistic physics in explaining these concepts, and further questions about varying drift velocities suggest that participants are actively engaging with the topic.

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The original poster notes a potential contradiction in non-relativistic electrodynamics and raises questions about the assumptions underlying the transformation of reference frames in relation to electric and magnetic fields.

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Hi,

The following is the standard qualitative explanation of the duality between electric field and the magnetic field given in our textbooks:

Let a long straight wire carry a constant current i. A charge kept at rest near it does not experience any force, implying the absence of electric fields. Now it is set in motion parallel to the wire. A radially outward force is needed to hold it in course, implying the presence of a magnetic field.

Now if the coordinate frame is transformed to the rest frame of the charge, the charge is static but the force stays, meaning an electric field has appeared.

What I don't understand (and the textbooks don't explain) is the source of this electric field. According to Gauss's law, only charge can create electric fields. But a current-carrying conductor is electrically neutral. Then what is the origin of this electric field? Does transformation of reference frame create charge? How?

Quantitatively, the magnetic force (and therefore the electric force) has a magnitude q v \frac {\mu i}{2 \pi r}, which implies a linear charge density of v \frac {i}{c^2} on the wire (excuse any mistakes as I was doing the calculation in my head) which is a very small but still non-zero charge density. Where does it appear from? Does this have anything to do with Lorentz transformations?

Thanks a lot.

Molu
 
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Thanks, that's a nice explanation. So the equivalence of electric and magnetic fields cannot be explained in non-relativistic physics (though non-relativistic electrodynamics is perhaps a contradiction).

Molu
 
Does it work if the drift velocity is different from the speed of the charge?
 
Paulanddiw said:
Does it work if the drift velocity is different from the speed of the charge?

Does what work?

Molu
 

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