Transformation of acceleration between two reference frames

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of acceleration between two reference frames in the context of special relativity. Participants are attempting to derive and understand specific equations related to this transformation, particularly focusing on the role of the Lorentz factor (gamma) and the derivation of certain equations from a referenced book.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on a specific equation from a book, particularly the derivation of a factor involving gamma.
  • Another participant identifies a misprint in the referenced equation, suggesting that the denominator should include a square term.
  • Further discussion reveals that there are multiple errors in the book, with participants debating the nature of these errors.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the appearance and role of gamma in the equations, seeking further explanation on its derivation.
  • There is a progression towards understanding how to manipulate the equations to express acceleration in terms of the Lorentz factor and other variables.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and number of errors in the book, with some asserting there are two errors while others believe there is only one. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these errors and the derivation steps involving gamma.

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Participants are navigating through complex mathematical derivations, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the equations and the definitions of the variables involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the mathematical foundations of special relativity, particularly those looking to understand the transformation of acceleration and the role of the Lorentz factor in such transformations.

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hello

i want to derive the Transformation of acceleration between two reference frames
i searched in internet and found a book but i don't understand just one step

i attach a picture so you can see what i found in the internet

my problem is eq. (1.10) \begin{align}du=\frac{dU}{\gamma ^{2}(1-U\frac{v}{c^{2}})^{2}}\end{align}
how did he get this factor
can you please give me a tip


thank you very much
 

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There's a misprint. Calculus rule is d(x/y) = (y dx - x dy)/y2 where x = U - v and y = 1 - Uv/c2, so the first denominator in Eq.(1.10) should be (1 - U v/c2)2. The numerator is dU(1 - v2/c2), which reduces to dU(1/γ2).
 
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thank you for your answer
where is this misprint? is it the first denominator? the square is missing right?
my problem is this gamma in eq 1.10 how did he get it? i don't understand it
also the next step with gamma
can you show me how to get it?
thank you
 
Paul Black said:
thank you for your answer
where is this misprint? is it the first denominator? the square is missing right?
my problem is this gamma in eq 1.10 how did he get it? i don't understand it
also the next step with gamma
can you show me how to get it?
thank you

There are TWO errors, not one in the book:

[tex]dU=\frac{dU(1-Uv/c^2)-(U-v)(-dUv/c^2)}{(1-Uv/c^2)^2}[/tex]

The final result is correct, the derivation is riddled with errors.
 
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xox thank you for your answer but I am sorry you are wrong
the positive sign is wrong. it must be negative
therefore the only one error is the square in the denominator

but this is not my problem. i just want to know how to get the next step with gamma square.
hope you can help me
 
Paul Black said:
xox thank you for your answer but I am sorry you are wrong
the positive sign is wrong. it must be negative
therefore the only one error is the square in the denominator

but this is not my problem. i just want to know how to get the next step with gamma square.
hope you can help me

There are TWO minus signs, they indeed cancel each other, so I was a little pedantic. [tex]du=\frac{dU(1-Uv/c^2)-(U-v)(-dUv/c^2)}{(1-Uv/c^2)^2}=\frac{dU(1-v^2/c^2)}{(1-Uv/c^2)^2}[/tex]

But [tex]1-v^2/c^2=\frac{1}{\gamma^2}[/tex]
 
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yes you are right
sorryyyy

this gamma confused me xD
 
Paul Black said:
yes you are right
sorryyyy

this gamma confused me xD

You are welcome!
 
xox
thank you very much. i get it
so now i have to divide both sides by dt to get du/dt=a
but again with this gamma. eq 1.11 i don't understand it
 
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Paul Black said:
xox
thank you very much. i get it
so now i have to divide both sides by dt to get du/dt=a
but again with this gamma. eq 1.11 i don't understand it

OK, let's help u a little more:

We agree that:
[tex]du=\frac{dU}{\gamma^2(1-Uv/c^2)^2}[/tex]

Now,

[tex]dt=\gamma(dT-dXv/c^2)[/tex]

Therefore:

[tex]a=\frac{du}{dt}=\frac{dU}{\gamma^3(1-Uv/c^2)^2(dT-dXv/c^2)}=\frac{dU/dT}{\gamma^3(1-Uv/c^2)^2(1-dX/dTv/c^2)}=\frac{dU/dT}{\gamma^3(1-Uv/c^2)^3}=\frac{A}{\gamma^3(1-Uv/c^2)^3}[/tex]

If [itex]u=V[/itex] then [itex]a=\gamma^3A[/itex]
 
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thank you i got it finally
thank you very much
 
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Paul Black said:
thank you i got it finally
thank you very much

Glad I could help.
 
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