Transformer cooling for Hermetically-sealed units

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the cooling mechanisms of hermetically-sealed transformers, particularly focusing on how these units manage thermal expansion and oil movement without the traditional components found in air-breathing transformers. Participants explore the implications of being hermetically sealed and the design features that facilitate cooling.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the cooling process in hermetically-sealed transformers, questioning where the expansion oil goes and how the system operates without a conservator or breather.
  • Others suggest that the term "hermetically sealed" does not imply thermal isolation, prompting further clarification on its meaning.
  • One participant notes that hermetically sealed transformers are designed to eliminate the need for an expansion tank by completely filling the tank with oil and using radiator fins as hydraulic accumulators.
  • Another participant argues that elements like conservators and breathers in air-breathing transformers are primarily for managing thermal expansion and contraction of the oil, rather than for cooling purposes.
  • A participant mentions that a sealed reservoir with sufficient volume can accommodate fluid expansion and contraction, suggesting that the surface area of the container may suffice for cooling in some cases.
  • There is a reference to historical practices in automobile cooling systems, where sealed radiators allowed for fluid expansion without needing an overflow jug.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the cooling mechanisms and design features of hermetically-sealed transformers, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how these systems function or the implications of being hermetically sealed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the design and function of hermetically-sealed transformers remain unaddressed, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of thermal management and the role of various components in the cooling process.

Junior01
Hello,
I have question about transformer.
How is Hermetically-sealed transformer cooled? I know that in air-breathing type we have conservator, breather, etc…for cooling. But, where the expansion oil goes in hermetically sealed? How it works?
 
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Junior01 said:
Hello,
I have question about transformer.
How is Hermetically-sealed transformer cooled? I know that in air-breathing type we have conservator, breather, etc…for cooling. But, where the expansion oil goes in hermetically sealed? How it works?
That should be pretty easy to answer with a simple Google search.

And what does the term "hermetically sealed" mean? It certainly does not mean thermally isolated...
 
berkeman said:
That should be pretty easy to answer with a simple Google search.

And what does the term "hermetically sealed" mean? It certainly does not mean thermally isolated...
Can you please give me a link where on google is that exactly explained? :)
 
Junior01 said:
Can you please give me a link where on google is that exactly explained? :)
You could just start by doing a Google search on your thread title. That will get you pretty close. Then you can add or subtract search terms to refine your search. Let us know what you find... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
You could just start by doing a Google search on your thread title. That will get you pretty close. Then you can add or subtract search terms to refine your search. Let us know what you find... :smile:
The hermetically sealed oil transformers are normally manufactured with a sealed tank equipped with fins that allow the expansion at the temperature variations. But, I doesn't see this tank. Where is he placed?
 
I think this is where you are off base..."I know that in air-breathing type we have conservator, breather, etc…for cooling." - these elements are to deal with thermal expansion / contraction of the oil, not for cooling.
 
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Junior01 said:
The hermetically sealed oil transformers are normally manufactured with a sealed tank equipped with fins that allow the expansion at the temperature variations. But, I doesn't see this tank. Where is he placed?
I've never worked with hermetically sealed transformers, but from what I've read their reason for being is eliminate the need for an expansion tank and desiccant breather by completely filling the tank with oil, sealing it from outside air, and designing the radiator fins to serve as hydraulic accumulators.
 
I don't see a problem if a reservoir is sealed up with ample volume left to make room for expansion and contraction of the fluid during heating and cooling. Just the surface area of the container may provide adequate cooling in some cases.
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Slightly off topic but relevant is the fact that automobile cooling systems at one time were sealed with no overflow jug to expell and retract coolant as the engine warmed and cooled. The radiator was not meant to be completely full. There was enough room left in the top of the radiator to allow for expansion.
 

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