Transformer Delta to single phase

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of a three-phase transformer with a delta connection to a single-phase configuration. Participants explore the implications of such a conversion, including voltage and current relationships, core design considerations, and the potential for short circuits. The scope includes theoretical and practical aspects of transformer connections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to start the problem and mentions that the voltage should be three times due to additive polarity, but is unsure about current.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of opening the delta connection to connect a single phase, raising concerns about potentially creating a short circuit.
  • A participant notes that the core design is ambiguous and seeks clarification on this aspect.
  • One reply suggests that context from the textbook might provide clues, mentioning different configurations of transformers and their core materials.
  • Another participant explains that connecting three single-phase transformers in parallel for single-phase use is straightforward, proposing two possible configurations for connecting to the delta terminals.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of diagram angles and phase angles, noting that one winding in a three-phase transformer must have opposite magnetic polarity compared to the others.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the delta configuration, stating that it does not have a neutral and contrasts it with the star configuration, which does.
  • Another participant discusses the limitations of generating more than one phase when driving a three-phase transformer with a single phase and questions the output from a delta primary connected to a single-phase supply.
  • A participant attempts to calculate voltage relationships and expresses uncertainty about their approach, particularly regarding power rating.
  • One reply clarifies that the magnetic circuits of the three cores in a three-phase transformer interact, affecting the field distribution among the windings.
  • A participant proposes a connection method for a single-phase supply to the transformer terminals but seeks confirmation on their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of confusion and differing viewpoints regarding the conversion process, the implications of delta and star configurations, and the core design. No consensus is reached on the best approach or the correctness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about transformer configurations, the need for specific core design details, and the implications of connecting single-phase loads to a three-phase transformer. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on several technical aspects.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


For Delta line current = 1.732 times phase current.
Line voltage = phase voltage

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to start this.
This is original connection
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This is new one
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The voltage should be 3 times because of additive polarity.
Not sure about current.
 

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How do you know that you must open the Δ to connect a single phase?

With the Δ connection, the three phasors sum to zero around the loop.
When you open the loop to connect the single phase and neutral, will you not be driving a short circuit?
 
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The core design matters, and based on what I can find, "Core type" is pretty ambiguous. Am I right on this?
 
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You will need context for the question. Maybe the text in the chapter the question came from will yield a clue.
A three phase transformer can be made from three single phase transformers each with two windings, or with less core material as a single three phase core with six windings.
Take a look at; http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transformer/three-phase-transformer.html
 
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There is no specific text before this question. There is a chapter on transformer followed by a questionnaire of 40 questions. In 3-phase there was: bank of 3 single phase transformer vs one three phase transformer. The clock nomenclature. Dy11, Yy0, etc... and parallel operation of transformers.
 
Since connecting three single phase transformers in parallel, for use as a 1PH transformer is trivial, you can assume the transformer has one 3PH core and so must be connected in Y, D or left open.

There are a couple of possibilities.
1. You might connect the A and N to two of the Delta terminals with one left open.
2. You might reconfigure the deltas to stars, then use centre neutral and one only of the three Y terminals for one phase.

Would either of those satisfy any of the possible answers?
 
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Also note - it is convention to use the diagram angles to represent the phase angles, so in your diagram, the color coding is helpful, but lay them out in a straight line . However this is only referring to the electical connections and phase angles.
In most 3 Phase transformers, if you do this ONE of the three windings needs to have opposite magnetic polarity than the other two, this affects the rating of the core, that is why the layout matters, and to me, maked the problem difficult without knowing the specifics of the core. -- If the problem is to be three separate transformers, then the problem is easier.
 
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I'm not understanding anything. Delta doesn't have a neutral. It's an equilateral triangle. Star has neutral for neutral current. That's why it's used for 1-phase load as well. Right? I tried this diagram.
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V = Vr + Vy = Vr + Vr angle (120 degrees)
= Vr + Vr cos 120 + j Vr sin 120
= 0.5 Vr + j0.866 Vr
= Vr angle 60 degrees.

Book answer is C.
 

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If you drive a three phase transformer with only one single phase, there is no way you can generate more than that one phase and it's opposite polarity, at 180°.
So what would happen if you connected a neutral and active of a single phase to two of the three terminals of a delta primary? Would the equivalent delta secondary terminal pair produce a single phase output?

Consider redrawing your closed delta with one corner at the origin.
 
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Can it be this?
The voltage will be divided equally. So V = Vr/2 + Vr/2 angle 120 where Vr is phase voltage on R winding for 3-phase ckt.
= 0.25 + j0.433
= 0.5 angle 60
Drawing neutral. I have no idea what i just did. I know it's wrong.
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Now what?

Well at least I got how the voltage rating becomes 2V. Since two windings are in series, they divide voltage equally. So the applied voltage can be 2V.
But how to go ahead for Power rating?
 

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You are still drawing the diagrams as having phase.

The three cores of the 3PH transformer share the magnetic circuits of the currents in the windings.
The field of each winding is split in two, with half passing through each of the other two windings.
 
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Something like this?
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Now I have 1-phase supply. Let terminals be L and N. So I connect L with R, other end of R with Y, other end of Y with N?
And same for LV side?
 

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