Transient (Time domain) in transmission lines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of transient waves in transmission lines, particularly focusing on reflections, impedance mismatches, and the transition to steady-state conditions. Participants explore concepts related to wave propagation, standing waves, and the calculation of voltage in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether waves on an unmatched transmission line should eventually stabilize into a constant voltage, suggesting that the final wave observed may not represent a true steady state.
  • Another participant explains that when a TEM wave transitions between media with different impedances, reflections occur, leading to standing waves and potential changes in propagation velocity, which can cause waves to "pile up" in the downstream cable.
  • A specific formula for calculating the characteristic impedance of a coaxial cable is provided, indicating the relationship between impedance, dielectric constants, and the geometry of the cable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the final wave in an unmatched transmission line represents a steady state, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the nature of the transmission line, the definitions of steady state, and the conditions under which reflections and standing waves occur that are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Hello.
I am watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQtnQ9XPbE

and he says there:

Note how the reflections "bounce" back and forth along the 100-ohm segment, eventually converging into a steady-state system after the 3rd bounce or so.

I see that the wave turns into a "normal" sinus in the end, but it's not constant.
I think, that even on an unmatched transmission line, the waves should go back and forth, but eventually turn into a constant voltage. Isn't that correct?
If not, and the correct answer is that the steady state IS the final wave there - how do I calculate the voltage? is it the RMS of the wave?

Thank you.
 
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When a TEM wave in a cable goes from one medium (cable) to another, If there is an impedance mismatch (and the signal source is a voltage source), there is a reflection and a standing wave. Furthermore if the propagation velocity changes, the waves "pile up" in the downstream cable. There are two equations that are relevant:

Cable impedance is proportional to

Z = sqrt(1/ε)

and the propagation velocity is proportional to

and v = βc = 1/sqrt(ε)

where ε is the dielectric constant of the dielectric in the cable. A high dielectric constant reduces both the cable impedance and the propagation velocity.

If the signal source impedance does not equal the cable impedance, there is a reflection of the backward-propagating signal, producing a standing wave.

Bob S
 
Thanks.
 
For my previous post, the characteristic impedance of a coaxial cable is about

Z = (1/2 pi) sqrt(μ0/εε0) Ln(R/r)

where R and r are the outer and inner radii of the coax, and sqrt(μ00) = 377 ohms.

Bob S
 

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