Transistor Action: Understanding Vbe, Vc & Ic

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The discussion revolves around the operation of bipolar transistors, specifically focusing on the relationship between base current/voltage and collector current/voltage. Participants explore the physical mechanisms behind transistor action and the implications of changes in base parameters on collector parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how a change in base voltage or current affects collector voltage and current, posing multiple questions about the sequence of changes in these parameters.
  • Another participant suggests that transistors are current-driven devices, emphasizing the role of bias voltage in allowing current to flow across the base-emitter junction and the diffusion of charge carriers towards the collector.
  • There is an inquiry into whether the change in collector voltage occurs before or after a change in collector current, indicating a potential debate on the sequence of events in transistor action.
  • Participants express interest in both mathematical and qualitative explanations of the physical processes occurring within the transistor materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the sequence of changes in collector and base parameters and the underlying physical processes. Some participants provide resources for further reading, but no consensus is reached on the specific questions posed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of understanding transistor operation, with participants acknowledging the potential difficulty of the topic and the need for further exploration of the physical principles involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in semiconductor physics, electrical engineering, and those seeking a deeper understanding of transistor operation and behavior in circuits.

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Dear Forum,

I have a question about what is often referred to as "transistor action".

I understand how a transistor operates within a circuit, and the characteristics of such a circuit, but I would like to learn physically how the bipolar transistor is able to control a collector current through base current or base voltage?

Lets assume the transistor is properly biased and the base emitter junction is passing current i.e. Vbe>0.6V. When a base voltage is applied and hence a base current is flowing there then appears a collector current of hfe*Ib. OK. This collector current is supplied by the source (normally written as Vcc).

Can you please answer the following questions.

1.) Does a change in base voltage (or current) cause the collector voltage (voltage at the bottom of a collector resistor) to change, thereby causing a change in current where the current is given by (Vcc-Vc)/Rc.?
2.) If this is the case, how does the change in Vb get "translated" into a change in Vc?
3.) Does a change in base current (or voltage) cause a change collector current to be drawn which then passes through the resistor and drops a voltage thereby changing the collector voltage i.e. Vc=Vcc-IcR?
4.) I guess this question is does the collector voltage change first, leading to a change in collector current, OR does the collector current change first leading to a change in collector voltage?

5.) Now for the interesting question. Whether 1 or 3 is correct (or both, or neither) how does the change in Vb (or Ib) pass through the transistor and lead to a change in Vc (or Ic). What physical processes are happening in the transistor materials. Mathematical or qualitative explanations welcomed.

Thank you very much.

Kind Regards

neorich
 
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Dear Forum, It has been several days with no reply. Can you tell me if this is a difficult question? Is it a poorly understood area of physics? Or is it in the wrong area of the forum?

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The web is full of sites that explain transistor operation. Start with wikipedia, then search on semiconductor and bipolar transistor operation, transistor tutorials, etc. Here are a few representative sites:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/may04/3992/s101"

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/tutorial/xtor/xtor.html"

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/trans.html"

You'll see that transistors are current-driven devices rather than voltage-driven. The bias voltage permits current to flow across the B-E junction, and charge carriers diffuse out of the base towards the collector. If you still have questions, please come back and post them.
 
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Thanks,

The first link there was very helpful.

Regards

neorich
 

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