Transmission line and infinite reflection coefficient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of reflection coefficients in transmission lines, particularly focusing on the implications of having a load impedance that results in an infinite reflection coefficient. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of reflection coefficients, the conditions under which they can exceed 1, and the physical interpretations of such scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the physical meaning of an infinite reflection coefficient, suggesting it contradicts conservation of power, as it implies more power is reflected than is supplied.
  • Another participant proposes that a load could store more energy than supplied, drawing a parallel to series resonant circuits where small power inputs can lead to large voltage outputs across reactive components.
  • Some participants argue that a purely imaginary impedance cannot represent a transmission line, citing the mathematical definition of characteristic impedance which cannot be purely imaginary.
  • There is mention of ongoing research into advanced metamaterials that could exhibit unusual electrical characteristics, although it is noted that such materials would need to provide energy to the line.
  • One participant acknowledges that while theoretical constructs may suggest infinite reflection coefficients, practical implementations would always involve some real parasitic effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of infinite reflection coefficients, with some asserting that purely imaginary impedances cannot occur in transmission lines, while others suggest that advanced materials might challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physical implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions regarding the nature of load impedances and the mathematical definitions of characteristic impedance, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these definitions and the current understanding of transmission line theory.

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Hello,
I am taking some microwave engineering courses and was trying to explain the concept of reflection coefficients to my friend, but he asked me a question I am unable to answer...

So we know that given a transmission line with characteristic impedance Z_0 terminated with a load impedance Z_L, the voltage reflected is related to the incident voltage by the reflection coefficient, \Gamma_L = \frac{Z_L - Z_0}{Z_L + Z_0}.

Now what happens if we pick Z_L + Z_0 = 0? This could happen if both Z_L and Z_0 are purely imaginary, and one is the negative of the other (maybe some inductive and some capacitive reactances cancelling each other). Normally in our courses we considered Z_0 being a real number, usually 50 ohms. But if I assume it to be complex, then the reflection coefficient can become larger than 1, and even infinite like in that case.

So what's the physical meaning of an infinite reflection coefficient / reflection coefficient larger than 1? That seems to contradict conservation of power, because you get more power reflected than input power...
 
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So what's the physical meaning of an infinite reflection coefficient / reflection coefficient larger than 1? That seems to contradict conservation of power, because you get more power reflected than input power...[/QUOTE]
The load is storing more energy than the generator is supplying each cycle. It is similar to a series resonant circuit, where application of very small power can produce large voltages across L and C, each of them storing a large amount of energy.
Notice that a transmission line with a purely reactive characteristic impedance is a rare beast indeed.
 
A little thought would go a long way before making an assertion like this. A pure imaginary impedance is not a transmission line. Look at the characteristic impedance Z_0=\sqrt{\frac{R+j\omega L}{G+j\omega C}}There is no way to make this purely imaginary.
 
marcusl said:
A little thought would go a long way before making an assertion like this. A pure imaginary impedance is not a transmission line. Look at the characteristic impedance Z_0=\sqrt{\frac{R+j\omega L}{G+j\omega C}}There is no way to make this purely imaginary.
That is not clear to me. There is currently research into advanced metamaterials with odd electrical characteristics.

However such a material would need to provide energy to the line, which can be done.

There's no free lunch, but sometimes we can steal a bit from nature.

(Of course there will always be some small real parasitics since nothing is perfect.)
 

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