Transmission Lines: Carry Power & Comm Frequency

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The discussion revolves around how transmission lines can carry both power frequency (50Hz) and communication frequency (MHz) simultaneously. It explores the theoretical and practical aspects of this phenomenon, including the implications for signal interference and system design.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that transmission lines can carry a combination of power and communication frequencies, but this typically requires an input that combines both signals.
  • One participant notes that any point on the line can only have one voltage at a time, implying that the line carries a resultant of the two input waveforms.
  • Another participant argues that transmission lines, as linear devices, can carry multiple frequencies without interference, similar to cable television, and that selective filtering can be employed to isolate desired signals.
  • It is mentioned that a MHz signal source can be capacitively coupled to a power line, allowing it to detect high-frequency signals while seeing minimal interference from the 60 Hz power frequency.
  • A later reply references the concept of Broadband over Power Line (BPL) systems and shares personal experience with home intercom systems that utilize power lines for audio transmission, noting limitations with multi-phase systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility and implications of carrying both frequencies on transmission lines. There is no clear consensus, as some participants emphasize the potential for interference while others highlight the effectiveness of filtering techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence on specific system designs and configurations, such as the impact of multi-phase systems on the functionality of intercoms over power lines. There are also unresolved questions regarding the practical limitations of combining these frequencies.

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how transmission carry both power frequency(50Hz) and communication frequency (MHz) at a time
 
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This won't normally happen unless you supply an input that is a combination of the two input signals.

However, any point on the line can only have one voltage at a time, so the line carries a resultant of two input waveforms.
 
A transmission line, as a linear device, can carry many frequencies (like your cable television) without them interfering. You can then tap in and selectively filter for the signals you want. No reason they can't go down to 60 Hz, or even DC.

A MHz signal source/receiver can be capacitively coupled to a power line and see very little of the 60 Hz power.
 
meBigGuy said:
A transmission line, as a linear device, can carry many frequencies (like your cable television) without them interfering. You can then tap in and selectively filter for the signals you want. No reason they can't go down to 60 Hz, or even DC.

A MHz signal source/receiver can be capacitively coupled to a power line and see very little of the 60 Hz power.

yup exactly which is the basis for the cursed BPL system, Broadband over Power Line

On a small and loacalised system, I have dealt with home intercom systems in years gone by that injected and recovered audio onto the house mains system. The intercoms could be plugged into any power outlets around the house and would operate
( NOTE ... Not if there was a multiple phase system used in the building)


Dave
 

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