Transmitting information using gravitational waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for transmitting information using gravitational waves, particularly in comparison to electromagnetic waves. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical challenges, and the nature of gravitational waves in the context of communication technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether gravitational waves could serve as a source of information transmission independent of light, suggesting this might represent a significant advancement beyond electromagnetism.
  • Others argue that generating and detecting gravitational waves is extremely challenging, with current technology making practical communication via gravitational waves unlikely.
  • Concerns are raised about the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) of gravitational waves over distance compared to electromagnetic waves, with some suggesting that fewer natural emitters might lead to cleaner signals.
  • Participants discuss the difficulties in creating both transmitters and receivers for gravitational waves, noting that detecting signals from distant astronomical events would be significantly more complex than with electromagnetic signals.
  • There is a mention of the limitations of gravitational waves, including their speed being constrained by the speed of light, which may hinder their utility as an alternative communication method.
  • Some participants highlight the inefficiency of gravitational wave events, such as those detected by LIGO, in terms of energy output relative to potential information transmission.
  • Questions arise regarding the detection of gravitational wave events in other forms of radiation, with discussions about the conditions under which such events might produce electromagnetic signals.
  • Technical discussions delve into the nature of gravitational radiation, with some participants challenging common assumptions about the conditions necessary for gravitational waves to be emitted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and practicality of using gravitational waves for information transmission. There is no consensus on the potential advantages or disadvantages compared to electromagnetic waves, and several technical aspects remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unresolved nature of the practical applications of gravitational waves for communication, the dependence on specific definitions and conditions for gravitational wave generation, and the challenges in detecting such waves compared to electromagnetic signals.

  • #61
PeterDonis said:
Essentially no average motion of the object as a whole. But individual atoms in the object are certainly moving: that is what "strain" means.

Yes, and your statement very helpful and reminds me why I work in the TT gauge. How is the word "moving" defined in your statement? In the TT gauge with the interatomic forces set to zero (for argument sake) the atoms remain stationary with respect to the chosen coordinates while the interatomic distances change by virtue of the metric strain. This geometrically strained configuration of atoms will have a displacement current and associated electric fields. All this happens with the atoms stationary wrt the chosen coordinates.

Clearly the interatomic forces are at play so even in TT coordinates the atoms will accelerate with the acceleration govern by the equations of motion given in post #29. One must solve this dynamical problem in order to have a complete picture.
 
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  • #62
Paul Colby said:
How is the word "moving" defined in your statement?

The proper distances between at least some pairs of individual atoms are changing with time (if you like, proper time of either atom of a given pair).
 
  • #63
PeterDonis said:
The proper distances between at least some pairs of individual atoms are changing with time (if you like, proper time of either atom of a given pair).

Hum, motion was always defined relative to a frame. Sounds like a really confusing definition.
 
  • #64
Paul Colby said:
motion was always defined relative to a frame

If you insist on doing this, you can always define a proper reference frame for one atom (basically Fermi normal coordinates centered on its worldline), and then look at whether adjacent atoms have coordinate motion in this frame.
 
  • #65
Is there anything in current theory which could allow faster-than-light signals of any sort ?
 
  • #66
Shane Kennedy said:
Is there anything in current theory which could allow faster-than-light signals of any sort ?

No.
 
  • #67
To look at gravity wave communication from a radio engineering perspective, a good place to start is John D Kraus' (inventor of the helical antenna in the 1940s and professor at Ohio State for many years) 1991 article, "Will Gravity Wave Communication be Possible?" The difficulty in producing and detecting GW is analogous to poor impedance matching in an antenna connection.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/84527/
 
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