Tricky subspace & intersection Problem

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The discussion revolves around proving a set equality involving subspaces of a vector space, specifically the relationship between intersections and sums of these subspaces. The original poster is attempting to show that W_1 ∩ (W_2 + (W_1 ∩ W_3)) equals (W_1 ∩ W_2) + (W_1 ∩ W_3) and is seeking clarification on their approach.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Dedekind's law and questions whether the operation "+" can be interpreted as union. Some participants challenge this assumption and suggest reviewing definitions. Others explore the implications of applying Dedekind's law to the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various interpretations and attempting to align the problem with known laws. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the conditions under which the equality holds, and some participants have made connections between the original problem and Dedekind's law.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating definitions and conditions related to set operations and subspaces, with some expressing confusion about the validity of their assumptions and the implications of the laws being discussed.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to solve this problem:
Let W_1, W_2, W_3 be subspaces of a vector space, V.
Prove that W_1 ∩ (W_2 + ( W_1 ∩ W_3)) = (W_1 ∩ W_2) + (W_1 ∩ W_3).
Can someone help me show this? I have tried using Dedekind's law, but not sure it that is the way to go.


The attempt at a solution

I tried with in my mind very trivial case...can somebody please show me a more detailed solution with more steps?

This is what I did...Since a subspace is a set, the laws of set operations apply. I assume (not sure if this is a valid assumption) that + here is the same as "union".

Now intersection is distributive over union,
i.e. a∩(b+c) = a∩b + a∩c
so in this case,
W_1 ∩ (W_2 + ( W_1 ∩ W_3))
= (W_1 ∩ W_2) + (W_1 ∩ (W_1 ∩ W_3))
In the second term, I use the properties that intersection is associative, and W_1 ∩ W_1 = W_1, and that term becomes W_1 ∩ W_3 which proves the required result.


Now can anyone answer if this always holds and please show me a more detailed solution with more steps that would make more sense? Thanks...
 
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I haven't thought about how to do the question, but
aeronautical said:
I assume (not sure if this is a valid assumption) that + here is the same as "union".

is not a valid assumption. Have you looked in your notes or text for a definition?
 
George Jones said:
I haven't thought about how to do the question, but


is not a valid assumption. Have you looked in your notes or text for a definition?

Yes I did...but unfortunately, I am totally lost and confused now...
 
aeronautical said:
Yes I did...but unfortunately, I am totally lost and confused now...

Write down Dedekind's law (in a post).
 
George Jones said:
Write down Dedekind's law (in a post).

V ∩ (U + W)= U + (V ∩ W) this is what I got...
 
aeronautical said:
V ∩ (U + W)= U + (V ∩ W) this is what I got...

Is there a condition that U and V are required to satisfy?
 
U, V and W, are just subsets of a set S, right?
 
In my question those are all the conditions specified. Do you mean that U <= V? How does, this help me understand whether the LHS is equal to the RHS? The real question is thus, when is this valid, and how I can get the RHS from LHS?
 
  • #10
The LHS of your question and the LHS of Dedekind's law look similar.

[edit}

To make them the same, take V = W_1, and either U = W_2 and W = W_1 \cap W_3, or W = W_2 and U = W_1 \cap W_3.

[/edit]

With respect to Dedekind's law, does either of these choices allow you to show the desired result?
 
  • #11
I don't think so:
The first one results in:
RHS = W_1 + (W_2 + W_1 ∩ W_3)

The second one results in:
W_1 + (W_1 ∩ W_3 ∩ W_2)

What should I do now?? What conclusion can I take away from this?
 
  • #12
Take a look at the second choice more carefully.
 
  • #13
I realize that for the equality to hold then:

W_1 + (W_1 ∩ W_3 ∩ W_2) = W_1 ∩ (W_2 + ( W_1 ∩ W_3))

However I can not see how... Could you please guide?
 
  • #14
I'm a little confused.

With the second of my choices in post #10 (note the edit):

what are V, U , and W;

what is the LHS of Dedekind's laws;

what is the RHS of Dedekind's laws?
 
  • #15
I just noticed the edit:
Using the edited U, V, W from post 10 I get that:
W_1 ∩ (W_1 ∩ W_3 +W_2) = (W_1 ∩ W_3) + (W_1 ∩ W_2)

Hence, I have shown the equality in the original problem statement (Thank you).

One question remains and that is... Is this equality ALWAYS valid? Are there any restrictions? I thought the condition in the original Dedekind's law with U <= V could be one. Are there others?
 
  • #16
Dear George,
Could you please help me out regarding my previous questions (In Post #15)? Thank you...
 

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