Trig Proof: Proving cos and sin of pi/12 using m and n values

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The discussion focuses on proving the values of cos(π/12) and sin(π/12) using specific m and n values, where m = (√3 + 1)/(2√2) and n = (√3 - 1)/(2√2). Participants suggest using half-angle formulas to simplify expressions, leading to the verification of the equality √((√3 + 2)/4) = (√3 + 1)/(2√2). The conversation then shifts to finding the fourth roots of a complex number in terms of m and n, with initial calculations presented for k = 0 and k = 1. Participants clarify the correct approach to express the fourth roots without errors in the formula. The discussion concludes with a resolution of the initial confusion regarding the fourth roots.
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prove that cos\frac{\pi}{12} = m and sin\frac{\pi}{12} = n, where m = \frac{\sqrt{3} + 1}{2\sqrt{2}} and n = \frac{\sqrt{3} -1}{2\sqrt{2}}

could anyone give me a start on how to do this?
 
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Half angle formulas.
 
micromass said:
Half angle formulas.

okay, using cos^2\frac{\pi}{12} = \dfrac{cos(\frac{\pi}{6}) + 1}{2} I get \sqrt{\dfrac{\sqrt{3} + 2}{4}} how could I simplify this to what they ask for (I see it's the same)
 
You just got to prove that

\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{3}+2}{4}} = \frac{\sqrt{3}+1}{2\sqrt{2}}

start by squaring both sides.
 
micromass said:
You just got to prove that

\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{3}+2}{4}} = \frac{\sqrt{3}+1}{2\sqrt{2}}

start by squaring both sides.

thanks, I got it -

anychance you could help with the next part?

Find in terms of m and n, in the form a + ib, where a,b are real, the fourth roots of 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))

I started by saying
z^4 = 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))
z = \sqrt{2}(cos(\frac{\pi}{12}+ 2k\pi) + isin(\frac{\pi}{12} + 2k\pi))

now I get the first one easily when k = 0, but what about when k = 1, and what not, how do I get it in terms of m and n?

edit: would it be right in saying:

when k = 1, z = \sqrt{2}(cos(\frac{5\pi}{12}) + isin(\frac{5\pi}{12})) which is \sqrt{2}(m + in)^5 = ...? I could expand this using the binomial expansion but it seems unnecessary
 
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hi phospho! :smile:
phospho said:
Find in terms of m and n, in the form a + ib, where a,b are real, the fourth roots of 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))

now I get the first one easily when k = 0, but what about when k = 1, and what not …

if you have one fourth-root of a number, what are the other fourth-roots? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi phospho! :smile:


if you have one fourth-root of a number, what are the other fourth-roots? :wink:

eh :\
 
phospho said:
z^4 = 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))
z = \sqrt{2}(cos(\frac{\pi}{12}+ 2k\pi) + isin(\frac{\pi}{12} + 2k\pi))
The 2kπ terms are wrong. Try again.
 
haruspex said:
The 2kπ terms are wrong. Try again.

yup, silly mistake, got it thanks.
 
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