Trigger for a Zn oxidation reaction in a battery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the oxidation reaction of zinc in a battery context, specifically focusing on the mechanisms that trigger zinc to lose electrons and enter solution. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of this electrochemical process, including the roles of electric fields, electrode interactions, and chemical reactions in solutions.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the trigger for zinc oxidation is the copper electrode attracting electrons or the solution facilitating zinc's loss of electrons.
  • Another participant suggests that an electric field builds up as zinc reacts with the solution, which eventually prevents further reactions.
  • There is a discussion about whether the electric field is created by the potential difference between the copper and zinc electrodes or by the reaction of zinc losing electrons while in contact with the solution.
  • A participant inquires about the behavior of zinc and copper when connected by a wire without a solution, questioning if zinc would still lose valence electrons and copper would gain them.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the specific reactions occurring in the half-cell and why electrons remain on the electrode rather than entering the solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that zinc atoms do not simply 'fall' into the solution, but rather a reaction occurs at the interface of zinc and the solution.
  • There is a question about the specific ions in the solution that react with zinc to facilitate its dissolution.
  • A participant proposes a reaction involving zinc and hydrogen ions, suggesting a possible pathway for zinc oxidation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of zinc oxidation and the role of the electric field, with no consensus reached on the specific triggers or reactions involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interactions between zinc, copper, and the solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note a lack of clarity regarding the specific reactions that take place in the half-cell and the role of water molecules in the process. There are also unresolved questions about the nature of the electric field and its effects on the reactions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrochemistry, battery technology, or anyone seeking to understand the fundamental processes involved in oxidation reactions in solutions.

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Who is the trigger of the oxidation reaction. Copper which attracts electrons from the Zinc or solution which makes Zinc losing electrons and become positively charged. I am struggling to understand what actually makes Zinc to enter the solution and leave 2 electrons behind.

If there is no wire between positive and a negative electrode of a battery Zn won't be able to give away 2 electrons or ZN electrode will still be able to gain a negative charge due to reaction with the solution.

Thank you guys
 
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Do I understand it properly. When we electrically connect copper electrode and the zinc electrode the difference in potential between the two will create an electric field or the electric field is produce when zinc is losing electrons while touching the sulphate and copper gains extra electrons.
 
What will happen at the beginning when the copper to the zinc via a conductor without having solutions just two separate pieces of metal connected with a wire. Will zinc lose it valence electrons and copper gain them in this case? Thanks
 
Slava said:
Do I understand it properly. When we electrically connect copper electrode and the zinc electrode the difference in potential between the two will create an electric field or the electric field is produce when zinc is losing electrons while touching the sulphate and copper gains extra electrons.

When you first insert the electrode into the solution a chemical reaction between the zinc and the solution takes place. This builds up an electric field since zinc ions are leaving the electrode while leaving behind their electrodes. This buildup of electrons creates an electric field that slows and then stops further reactions. Once you complete the circuit and both electrodes are connected, electrons flow and allow the continuation of the reactions between the zinc and the solution.

Slava said:
What will happen at the beginning when the copper to the zinc via a conductor without having solutions just two separate pieces of metal connected with a wire. Will zinc lose it valence electrons and copper gain them in this case? Thanks

That I couldn't tell you.
 
Why does Zn atoms go to the solution? I am trying to find the reaction which takes place in a half-sell but with no success. I suppose there should be some reaction between
Zn atom and the solution but there is nothing written about. Every textbook shows the whole redox reaction but not the half of it.

Why electrons stay on the electrode rather then jump into the solution. They are repelled by water molecules?

Thank you for your responses
 
I understand that somehow Zinc atoms will dissolve and give up 2 electrons which go into a wire. But what makes them to enter the solution, basically to fall into it?
 
They don't just 'fall' into the solution. The reaction occurs where the zinc and the solution meet.

Slava said:
Why electrons stay on the electrode rather then jump into the solution.

I'd need to get into the details of the reaction, which I don't have time to do right now, sorry.
 
As far as I understand. To get the solution we mix sulphate and a water and get an aqueues solution with lots of cations and anions.
ZnSO4 + H2O ---> Zn2+ + SO42- + H2O ---> Zn2+ + HSO4- + OH-

This is the solution. Which ions react with Zn to make it dissolve in the solution?
 
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Does zinc react with Hydrogen ions and becomes oxidized?

Zn(s) + 2H+ -> Zn2+(aq) + H2(g)
 

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