Trigonometric Equation solving

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The discussion revolves around solving the trigonometric equation cos 2x + cos 4x = cos x within the interval of 0 degrees to 360 degrees. Participants are exploring various trigonometric identities and methods to approach the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric identities and the implications of dividing by variable expressions. There is an exploration of how to rearrange the equation and factor it, as well as questions about the validity of certain steps taken in the process.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering guidance on how to factor the equation and questioning assumptions made during the solving process. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and while some participants express confusion, others provide clarifications and suggest directions for further exploration.

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Some participants express that they find trigonometric concepts confusing and are attempting to review identities and methods. There are also discussions about the potential loss of solutions when dividing by expressions that could be zero.

  • #31
Mark44 said:
Either you're not reading your book correctly, or the book has a typo in a very important identity.
It should read cos 2x = cos2(x) -[/color] sin2(x)

That's "minus" NOT "equals".



Yeah, it was a typo on their part I guess. I'll redo the question.

continuing from after sinx = 02cos2x + sin2x -1 = 0

2(1-2sin2x) + sin2x - 1 = 0
1 - 3sin2x = 0
3sin2x = 1

sin2x = 1/3

I get the same answer? I must be doing something wrong.
 
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  • #32
bnosam said:
Yeah, it was a typo on their part I guess.
If it was my book, I would replace that '=' with '-' using a heavy pen.
bnosam said:
I'll redo the question.

continuing from after sinx = 0


2cos2x + sin2x -1 = 0

2(1-2sin2x) + sin2x - 1 = 0
The above is wrong. You replaced cos2(x) with 1 - 2sin2(x).

The identity you should be thinking of is sin2(x) + cos2(x) = 1. If you solve for cos2(x) in this identity, what do you get?
bnosam said:
1 - 3sin2x = 0
3sin2x = 1

sin2x = 1/3

I get the same answer? I must be doing something wrong.
 
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  • #33
Mark44 said:
If it was my book, I would replace that '=' with '-' using a heavy pen.
The above is wrong. You replaced cos2(x) with 1 - 2sin2(x).

The identity you should be thinking of is sin2(x) + cos2(x) = 1. If you solve for cos2(x) in this identity, what do you get?

I need to pay more attention reading the identities, sorry.

sin3x = sinx
sin(2x + x) = sin2x cosx + sinx cos2x
(2sinxcosx)cosx + sinx(2cos2x - 1) = sinx
2sinx cos2x + 2cos2x sinx - 2 sinx
4sinxcos2x - 2sinx = 0

sinx(2cos2x - 1) = 0

sinx = 0


2cos2x -1 = 0
cos2x = 1/2
cos x = ± √2/2
 
  • #34
bnosam said:
I need to pay more attention reading the identities, sorry.

sin3x = sinx
sin(2x + x) = sin2x cosx + sinx cos2x Put this line to the side. It just explains which identity you're using.[/color]
(2sinxcosx)cosx + sinx(2cos2x - 1) = sinx
2sinx cos2x + 2cos2x sinx - 2 sinx = 0[/color]
4sinxcos2x - 2sinx = 0

sinx(2cos2x - 1) = 0

sinx = 0

OR[/color]
2cos2x -1 = 0
cos2x = 1/2
cos x = ± √2/2

This looks good, now, but you're not done yet.

If sin(x) = 0, x = ? With no restrictions, there are an infinite number of values.
Or if cos(x) = ± √2/2, x = ? As above, with no restrictions given, there are an infinite number of values.
 
  • #35
Mark44 said:
This looks good, now, but you're not done yet.

If sin(x) = 0, x = ? With no restrictions, there are an infinite number of values.
Or if cos(x) = ± √2/2, x = ? As above, with no restrictions given, there are an infinite number of values.

The interval of values to solve for is 0° ≤ x ≤ 360°.

so x in sin x= 0 can be equal to 0°, 180° and 360° in that interval


x in cos x = ±√2/2

so 45°, 135°, 225°, 315° are valid
 
  • #36
Looks good.

A good thing to do is to check to confirm that sin(3x) = sin(x) for each of the seven values you have.
 
  • #37
Haven't followed this but you said trig identities. The trig identity to me most obviously relevant to problem #1 is the one for cos2x in terms of cos x, have you tried that?

(I think that gives you one of your (families of) solutions, and there is only one other real... if it's 20° as was said, that's' nothing very special or interesting to spend your time on IMHO).
 
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