Triple Integral of minimum value

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The problem involves evaluating the triple integral of the function min{x,y,z} over the unit cube defined by the constraints 0 < x < 1, 0 < y < 1, and 0 < z < 1. Participants are exploring different approaches to set up and compute this integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss breaking the integral into cases based on which variable is the minimum. Others question the setup of the integrals and suggest alternative methods for integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have proposed integrating over specific regions of the cube while others are visualizing the problem geometrically. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the function min{x,y,z} and the limits of integration. There is also mention of visualizing the problem and considering symmetry in the setup.

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Homework Statement


The problem is to take the triple integral over B of min{x,y,z}dV where B = {x,y,z}: o<x<1 , 0<y<1, and 0<z<1. (These are all less than or equal to, I didn't know the notation).


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What I did was break it up into three cases; where x is the minimum, y is the minimum, and where z is the minimum. I got a value of 1/4 for all three of these, so that leads me to believe the answer for the triple integral is 1/4. Is this correct thinking
 
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BioMan789 said:

Homework Statement


The problem is to take the triple integral over B of min{x,y,z}dV where B = {x,y,z}: o<x<1 , 0<y<1, and 0<z<1. (These are all less than or equal to, I didn't know the notation).


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The Attempt at a Solution



What I did was break it up into three cases; where x is the minimum, y is the minimum, and where z is the minimum. I got a value of 1/4 for all three of these, so that leads me to believe the answer for the triple integral is 1/4. Is this correct thinking
Hello BioMan789. Welcome to PF.

It would help greatly if you could show just what it was that you integrated. I suspect that you have miisunderstood the meaning of the function, min(x, y, z) .

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In between my original post and your response I realized I was integrating incorrectly. I was integrating from 0 to x, 0 to y, 0 to z for each integral instead of 1 to x, 1 to y, 1 to z (see below for clarification). This is what I was integrating.

∫∫∫ x dydzdx (first integral is from x to 1, second is also from x to 1, final is from 0 to 1).
∫∫∫ y dxdzdy (first integral is from y to 1, second is also from y to 1, final is from 0 to 1).
∫∫∫ z dxdydz (first integral is from z to 1, second is also from z to 1, final is from 0 to 1).
 
When I worked these integrals out I got 1/12
 
I'm pretty sure those integrals won't give the correct result.

I've been trying to wrap my head around this for a while. Visualizing this has been a challenge.

[itex]\displaystyle f(x,\,y,\,z)=\min(x,\,y,\,z)=\left\{\matrix{<br /> x\,,\ \ \text{ if }\ x\le y\ \ \text{ and }\ \ x\le z\\<br /> y\,,\ \ \text{ if }\ y\le x\ \ \text{ and }\ \ y\le z\\<br /> z\,,\ \ \text{ if }\ z\le x\ \ \text{ and }\ \ z\le y}\right.[/itex]

My suggestion is to write f(x, y, z) as the sum of three functions, fx(x, y, z) + fy(x, y, z) + fz(x, y, z), where
fx(x, y, z) = x when x is the minimum, otherwise it equals zero.

fy(x, y, z) = y when y is the minimum, otherwise it equals zero.

fz(x, y, z) = z when z is the minimum, otherwise it equals zero.​

Then integrate all three functions over the entire cube. But since each is zero over 2/3 of the cube, simply integrate each over the region for which it's not zero. Considering symmetry, each of those integrals will give the same result.
For example, integrate y first for x going from y to 1, then for z going from y to 1, then for y going from 0 to 1.​

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I struck part of the line above after looking at the figure in jackmell's post. That line should read:
For example, integrate y first for x going from y to 1, then for z going from 0 to y, then for y going from 0 to 1.​
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Added in 2nd Edit:
After further consideration, I withdraw the 1st Edit. and restore the post as it was first written. (This does not imply that jackmell's post was wrong -- only that I misinterpreted his figure.)
 
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I think it's going to be six integrals over tetrahedrons. Here's a picture of three of them. Got the blue, red and yellow there and then three more behind them I'm not showing. So for example, we have:

[tex]\mathop\iiint\limits_{\text{Red}} \text{min(x,y,z)}dV=\int_0^1\int_0^x\int_y^x y\;dzdydx[/tex]

Ok, Bioman, you try and do the other five or at least do the yellow one or maybe the blue one would be easier to do first.
 

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I got those figures by first segregating the cube along diagonal planes shown below. Also, I don't think my wonderful drawings would help when we go to 4D and beyond as in the general problem that was posted a few days ago:

[tex]\int\cdots\int \text{min}(x_1,\cdots,x_n)dx_1\cdots dx_n[/tex]

The link is:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=555766
 

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